From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Mon Jan 14 22:19:44 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:19:44 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Message-ID: <20080115.200537.-519321.8.jsiarlys@juno.com> Well, we haven't discussed anything at all since Christmas, or was it Thanksgiving. Anyone want to aim some flak at this? http://siarlysjenkins.blogspot.com/2008/01/tyranny-muslim-catholic-and-an glican.html Go ahead Jeanine, stand up for your bishop. He's not one of the liberals. And didn't we have an RC somewhere in the group? greenBubble can take the "pox on all your houses" view. Alternately, would anyone like to say something about Mike Huckabee, the only Republican I might vote for, especially if the Dems are dumb enough to nominate Hillary? (A former Reagan aide was quoted after the NH votes were counted saying "Sweet Baby Jesus, They Saved Our Bacon, we're back in the game." he was talking about Hillary, not John McC.) OK, he's militantly anti-choice. So what? No issue can be an absolute litmus test. Anyway, the president doesn't have authority over jack when it comes to abortion. At least Huckabee knows NOT to grind our collective heel in the face of children (those already born and somewhat grown), which is more than most of his competitors for the nomination seem to understand. Any why is Martin Luther King Day the only holiday that I will get holiday pay for but everyone will be working their normal schedule that day? Siarlys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080114/a5213c6e/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 10:56:41 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:56:41 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull References: <20080115.200537.-519321.8.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <01cb01c859f3$196b3340$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Regarding abortion, it shouldn't be limited to pregnancy. I have a 15 year old and it should be legal to take him out. Why give me a tiny little window when I don't know yet what life will be like with that baby? Now that I know this irritating, damaged, oppositional child, I should have the choice to "abort" him now. Bishop? I have never had one. I don't know what the heck religion they are in -- Catholic? Mormon? Church of England? Anglican? Greek Orthodox? Episcopalian? I don't even know their function. I was raised in a Baptist home. Under God, the Pastor is the boss in an Independent Baptist church. There is no way on earth that the US will elect a black man or a woman to the presidency in 2008 UNLESS there are more voters in their 20s than I am aware of. My own two "adult" children (23,19) are far more liberal than their father and I ever feared possible. How can they not be conservatives like their parents? I am only now realizing that things like politics and opinions must be DISCUSSED as a family and not just acted out in our lives. I guess I figured that my children would be aware of what was important to their dad and I by our opinions and where we spent our money and our time, and would behave and think along the same lines. We didn't have nearly as much influence on them as I thought we would. Just to throw a kink in the works, maybe it's because they are ours by adoption and in nature vs nurture, nature has more sway. I will say that I am very disappointed in their political choices and views. And I can only pray that neither one will "get out and vote" this year. And why did our community lose Columbus Day to have it replaced with an MLK,Jr Day? Jeanene NOW I will go and read the blog that is supposed to generate some discussion. ----- Original Message ----- To: Red Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Go ahead Jeanine, stand up for your bishop. He's not one of the liberals. OK, he's militantly anti-choice. So what? No issue can be an absolute litmus test. Anyway, the president doesn't have authority over jack when it comes to abortion. At least Huckabee knows NOT to grind our collective heel in the face of children (those already born and somewhat grown), which is more than most of his competitors for the nomination seem to understand. Any why is Martin Luther King Day the only holiday that I will get holiday pay for but everyone will be working their normal schedule that day? Siarlys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080118/a428512c/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 11:14:56 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:14:56 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull References: <20080115.200537.-519321.8.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <01de01c859f5$a6470170$6501a8c0@Jeanene> I am grumpy and opinionated today: 1. I had crown work done on a tooth yesterday and I didn't fill my pain pill prescription yet. Dull, continuing pain apparently makes me grumpy. 2. Today is my FILs memorial. Not only will there be no body (cremated), there will be no speaker, no church/funeral home, no eulogy, no music except big band and from the 40s, there was no obituary, there will be no flowers, and other than pictures on a table, there will not be anything I associate with a funeral/memorial service. It will be held at a quaint, historic restaurant's banquet room and they will serve horsey-dorvees ( I hate the French today too and refuse to use their language!). Really, isn't that more of a wake? My husband's Pop and his issue number 19. My husband and our family are 9 of those 19. But because "blood is thicker than water" (His exact words when meeting his first grandchild -- our first daughter who was only 1 day old), my children and his only great-grandson were never treated like real grandchildren. He was a really good Pappy to his 4 birthed grandchildren, but not to mine. I am bitter but my children are not, even though they have known for a LONG time that they are not treated equally. They do what is right -- like sending flowers and cards to their grandma with no prompting from me. 3. My not-new-enough-to-get-them-replaced glasses are broken (WalMart warranty was 60 days) and I can't find my old pair, so I'm wearing sunglasses inside the house. Did I mention I am useless without glasses? I am as nearsighted as a mole. So now you know far more about my life than you ever wanted to know. Get over it. Jeanene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080118/2b14fc7f/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 11:29:42 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:29:42 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull In-Reply-To: <01cb01c859f3$196b3340$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <20080115.200537.-519321.8.jsiarlys@juno.com> <01cb01c859f3$196b3340$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <37915b720801180929k2661f5b4i5e9aec6e969027d9@mail.gmail.com> Jeanene, I get the feeling young folks that age are well inundated with the concept of being liberal. It's all about who has power and who's going to take it from them. Somehow at least to them being liberal seems to be a way of "sticking it to the man" or rebelling against the Powers that be. I'm in my upper 20's. I've never thought that way, but I watch it all around me. (and I'm certain my parents will tell you I've had my rebellious moments as well) I am conservative, but I don't vote party lines. I could see Obama having a very good chance. What I'm VERY Afraid of is Clinton. Comments have already been made that she'd appoint her husband to the Supreme Court if a position opened during her presidency. We already know she's not trustworthy because she lied to us during her husband's reign. It disturbs me to no end how exited people are to support her. I fully support a woman making the Presidency. I am quite excited to see both a lady and African American fighting for the Presidency, but not Clinton, she scares the H*** out of me. My two cents worth, Lance On 1/18/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > > Regarding abortion, it shouldn't be limited to pregnancy. I have a 15 > year old and it should be legal to take him out. Why give me a tiny little > window when I don't know yet what life will be like with that baby? Now > that I know this irritating, damaged, oppositional child, I should have the > choice to "abort" him now. > > Bishop? I have never had one. I don't know what the heck religion they > are in -- Catholic? Mormon? Church of England? Anglican? Greek > Orthodox? Episcopalian? I don't even know their function. I was raised in > a Baptist home. Under God, the Pastor is the boss in an Independent Baptist > church. > > There is no way on earth that the US will elect a black man or a woman to > the presidency in 2008 UNLESS there are more voters in their 20s than I am > aware of. My own two "adult" children (23,19) are far more liberal than > their father and I ever feared possible. How can they not be conservatives > like their parents? I am only now realizing that things like politics and > opinions must be DISCUSSED as a family and not just acted out in our lives. > I guess I figured that my children would be aware of what was important to > their dad and I by our opinions and where we spent our money and our time, > and would behave and think along the same lines. We didn't have nearly as > much influence on them as I thought we would. Just to throw a kink in the > works, maybe it's because they are ours by adoption and in nature vs > nurture, nature has more sway. I will say that I am very disappointed in > their political choices and views. And I can only pray that neither one > will "get out and vote" this year. > > And why did our community lose Columbus Day to have it replaced with an > MLK,Jr Day? > > Jeanene > NOW I will go and read the blog that is supposed to generate some > discussion. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *To:* Red > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2008 9:19 PM > *Subject:* [GCFL-discuss] Dull > > Go ahead Jeanine, stand up for your bishop. > He's not one of the liberals. > > OK, he's militantly anti-choice. So what? No issue can be an absolute > litmus test. Anyway, the president doesn't have authority over jack when it > comes to abortion. At least Huckabee knows NOT to grind our collective heel > in the face of children (those already born and somewhat grown), which is > more than most of his competitors for the nomination seem to understand. > > Any why is Martin Luther King Day the only holiday that I will get holiday > pay for but everyone will be working their normal schedule that day? > > Siarlys > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080118/28cafa4a/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 21:36:05 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:36:05 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Abortions Message-ID: <20080119.184110.-412065.1.jsiarlys@juno.com> I'm going to keep this short and separate, because the best thing to do about abortion is stop discussing it. The whole debate is silly, and distracts from more important subjects. But I have found endless reasons and ways to distinguish between aborting a first trimester fetus and murdering a disobedient fifteen year old. 1) If kicked out of the house, the fifteen year old is capable of foraging for food, finding shelter, eating, sleeping, and generally surviving, without ever receiving any help from mommy and daddy again. That doesn't mean parents should necessarily have the right to kick him out of the house, but I believe some states still allow parents to declare their child incorrigible and make him/her a ward of the state. 2) If expelled from the mother's womb, accidentally, spontaneously, or deliberately, there is absolutely no way a first trimester fetus would survive. 3) In fact, although a new-born baby is unlikely to survive without parental nurturing, once out of the womb, any of 4 billion other living human beings can take full responsiblity for care and feeding, at no further cost to the mother. Not so a first trimester fetus. 4) I have a similar opinion when unmarried fathers wail "But that's my baby too!" IF the expectant woman chooses to carry the child to term, THEN the father absolutely should have first right to adopt if the mother wants to give the baby up. But daddy just cannot carry the growing fetus for nine months in his own abdomen. Sorry, life isn't always fair. Besides, if daddy wanted rights to the fetus, he should have married the woman before sowing his seed so carelessly. Yeah, some people say the same about a woman wanting an abortion, but life isn't always fair. Women have to do all the work up until birth, so in this sense, daddy is the one who should have been more careful. 5) A newly fertilized egg is not a human being. It is a self-executing chemically coded ZIP file which, if it finds the proper nurturing environment, will grow into a human being. Until extraction is complete, it is not even in line to grow up to 15. Besides, coding errors and viruses can corrupt the program. Pretty soon we will have the technology to turn it into a brand new pancreas instead, which is a good thing if you happen to have pancreatic cancer. Christian theologians have had many opinions over when a soul attaches to the body, but few suggested any sooner than 40 days, many said at the time of quickening, some even said not until birth. God knows, and he isn't telling. Mostly, I find the first trimester unsuitable for STATE intervention. We can't impose conformity on everyone about everything, even when we are right, or think we are. 99% of us can agree on not murdering 15 year olds. Its hard to get 25% of us to agree on any firm policy about abortion. Most of us have second thoughts about any statement of policy. So, let's not try to write a law. The closer the fetus is to being a baby, the more its chances of survival outside the womb, the more it is a suitable subject for public policy. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 21:16:24 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:16:24 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Message-ID: <20080119.184110.-412065.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> Cool, now I have something to do after downloading my email. Jeanene, somewhere way back when I thought you had said that your family, and your entire church, were among the Episcopalians who were more or less pulling out of the denomination because of its acceptance of homosexual ministers, bishops and marriages. Now my memory is known to have errors, I think the rate is one part per million bytes of data, or something like that, or that's what I recall, but... IF you were ever Episcopalian, or Anglican, you would have bishops. Now you tell me you are Baptist, which is as great a shock to me as it was to you to find out that I am (a) male, and (b) over 50. There is an on-line religious columnist named Terry Mattingly who was raised Baptist, decided as he became theologically more conservative (yes, Baptists used to be red hot radicals), that he should join the Established Church, looking for Authority, Authenticity, and Apostolic Succession, found the Episcopalians too liberal for his tastes (they kept saying he sounded like a Baptist), and, not wanting to be Roman Catholic, joined the Greek Orthodox Church. MAD Magazine used to have a comic about how the children of the 60s gave their kids anything they wanted, and the kids turned out politically conservative and interested in professional careers, to their parents' horror. But these conservative kids had hippies for children, which made for a great bond with the grandparents. I think Ari Fleischer's father told a reporter once "If Ari wanted to rebel, I guess being a Republican is better than doing drugs, but not by much." In short, it happens to everyone. I must admit that as I 've grown older, I have found that my sometimes radical thinking is strongly influenced by my mother's uniquely east Tennessee brand of Republican thinking. Neither one of us likes social workers. Columbus Day? It wasn't exactly an official holiday in my child-hood. We took an hour in elementary school on Columbus Day to talk about the significance of Columbus. I later learned that he believed until the day he died that he had made all those voyages off the coast of Asia. Everyone knew before he made his first voyage that the world was round, but he thought it was smaller than everyone had figured out back to 500 BC, and he was wrong. If he hadn't bumped into America, his crew would have starved to death before reaching Asia. He was forgotten and ignored for 300 years. Then, the newly born USA, being new, was looking for Instant Traditions, and someone noticed that 1792 was the 300th anniversary of Columbus's voyage. Viola! Never mind that liberty and democracy didn't rate in his world. He was a devoted servant of Their Most Catholic Majesties, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. That's my long rant for the day. Pain makes everyone grumpy. But it doesn't seem to have changed you all that much. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 18 21:43:21 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:43:21 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Lancing Clinton Message-ID: <20080119.184110.-412065.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> I agree with just about everything Lance said about Clinton. I just don't trust her. She is not as obvious as Romney about her principles being infinitely elastic if it helps her to get elected, but the same reinvention is evident. Mostly though, I simply don't want the presidency of the United States to bounce back and forth between Clintons and Bushes for the forseeable future. What I remember about her book "It Takes A Village" is that she substituted "government" for "village" and the two are not equivalent. Our last few generations of children have suffered from not having a large network of adults around to help raise and nurture them. But that is individual adults who know the children, know their parents, are in some but not all cases related to the parents, are physically around... government is a totally different proposition. I don't want anyone to be president who doesn't know the difference. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sat Jan 19 23:38:12 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:38:12 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull References: <20080119.184110.-412065.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <006801c85b26$a5f634c0$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Nope, nuh-uh, not happening, negatory, no way, guess again. I was BORN into a Baptist home and when I moved away from home chose a community church that believed in the 5 points of Calvinism and was reformed (as in The Reformation) in its theology. My father thought I had joined a cult! For the past 20 years I have been active in the Evangelical Covenant Church which grew out of Sweden. Our church is friendly, active in the community, and Bible-based. Sadly, our pastor does NOT believe in predestination or preach about the sovereignty of God. He believes in the free will of man. I don't even remember a discussion of Episcopalians and homosexuality/marriage. That must have been on a different discussion list. I read a book called "Growing Up Baptist" and I laughed so hard I thought I would bust a gut. It was true on so many levels and yet wasn't offensive because I felt like I was poking fun at it myself. I have been privileged to attend Evensong at Oxford University. Was a bishop involved in that? I now think of you as a male, I'll have you know. My elder, but not yet 50. Maybe I'll send you a picture of me sitting in a pew with a bulletin in my hand with the piano/pianist in the background and the pastor behind the pulpit. Too bad I only have memories of those images, not actual pictures. And what's up with the last comment?!? I think it might have hurt my feelings! (Now how do I make an emoticon that is a crying, sad face?) Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- > Jeanene, somewhere way back when I thought you had said that your family, > and your entire church, were among the Episcopalians who were more or > less pulling out of the denomination because of its acceptance of > homosexual ministers, bishops and marriages. Now my memory is known to > have errors, I think the rate is one part per million bytes of data, or > something like that, or that's what I recall, but... > > IF you were ever Episcopalian, or Anglican, you would have bishops. > > Now you tell me you are Baptist, which is as great a shock to me as it > was to you to find out that I am (a) male, and (b) over 50. Pain makes everyone grumpy. But it doesn't seem to have changed you all that much. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080119/55fa1ff2/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sat Jan 19 23:58:22 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:58:22 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Abortions References: <20080119.184110.-412065.1.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <007b01c85b29$77490500$6501a8c0@Jeanene> I would still like a legal way to make the 15 year old no longer alive. Those are hateful words, but we are at our rope's end with this child. He is on a waiting list for a children's home in our state. His attachment disorder and its symptoms are overwhelming us and our immediate family. I am ashamed of my inability to have "fixed him" or loved him "all better". I made light (sort of, but not really) my intense negative feelings for him right now and shouldn't have brought him up at all. He came to us broken and damaged and he (like Humpty Dumpty) can't be put together again. I still have hope that once HE decides to work on healing, he will be successful. I pray that day comes sooner than later for him. I am pro-life, but I don't prejudge someone based on their views of abortion. You are right, there are so many more important things. The way I deal with being pro-life is to make sure that I am in the position to: 1. care for (and adopt) the babies and children that are mistreated, abused, inconveniently conceived, or unwanted. 2. contribute to organizations that make a difference in the lives of children and ones that educate women/girls about the hazards of unprotected sex. 3. befriend/encourage women who have been affected by their abortion and/or adoption experience. Regarding making a candidate's appeal to me based on his/her stance on the abortion issue is a ridiculous thing! I prefer to look at their ability to affect my life and the lives of others in my country. I firmly believe that a (wo)man with integrity and a moral compass that is not broken is one of the top things I look at. I must depend on the media for information, so who knows how faithful and honest and upstanding a person REALLY is. Only God can look at the heart. I must depend on their reported actions and attitudes. I would NOT have voted for JFK based on his womanizing, no matter what good he might have done for the US. He was an unrepentant adulterer and could not be trusted to make the best decisions for the citizens of the US and the world. As an aside, at this point in my life I cannot imagine EVER voting for a woman. I do NOT want a female president. And I especially don't want Hillary Clinton in any form of leadership. I would have moved out of NY had I lived there when she was elected. She is scary. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" To: "Red" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Abortions > I'm going to keep this short and separate, because the best thing to do > about abortion is stop discussing it. The whole debate is silly, and > distracts from more important subjects. But I have found endless reasons > and ways to distinguish between aborting a first trimester fetus and > murdering a disobedient fifteen year old. > > 1) If kicked out of the house, the fifteen year old is capable of > foraging for food, finding shelter, eating, sleeping, and generally > surviving, without ever receiving any help from mommy and daddy again. > That doesn't mean parents should necessarily have the right to kick him > out of the house, but I believe some states still allow parents to > declare their child incorrigible and make him/her a ward of the state. > > 2) If expelled from the mother's womb, accidentally, spontaneously, or > deliberately, there is absolutely no way a first trimester fetus would > survive. > > 3) In fact, although a new-born baby is unlikely to survive without > parental nurturing, once out of the womb, any of 4 billion other living > human beings can take full responsiblity for care and feeding, at no > further cost to the mother. Not so a first trimester fetus. > > 4) I have a similar opinion when unmarried fathers wail "But that's my > baby too!" IF the expectant woman chooses to carry the child to term, > THEN the father absolutely should have first right to adopt if the mother > wants to give the baby up. But daddy just cannot carry the growing fetus > for nine months in his own abdomen. Sorry, life isn't always fair. > Besides, if daddy wanted rights to the fetus, he should have married the > woman before sowing his seed so carelessly. Yeah, some people say the > same about a woman wanting an abortion, but life isn't always fair. Women > have to do all the work up until birth, so in this sense, daddy is the > one who should have been more careful. > > 5) A newly fertilized egg is not a human being. It is a self-executing > chemically coded ZIP file which, if it finds the proper nurturing > environment, will grow into a human being. Until extraction is complete, > it is not even in line to grow up to 15. Besides, coding errors and > viruses can corrupt the program. Pretty soon we will have the technology > to turn it into a brand new pancreas instead, which is a good thing if > you happen to have pancreatic cancer. Christian theologians have had many > opinions over when a soul attaches to the body, but few suggested any > sooner than 40 days, many said at the time of quickening, some even said > not until birth. God knows, and he isn't telling. > > Mostly, I find the first trimester unsuitable for STATE intervention. We > can't impose conformity on everyone about everything, even when we are > right, or think we are. 99% of us can agree on not murdering 15 year > olds. Its hard to get 25% of us to agree on any firm policy about > abortion. Most of us have second thoughts about any statement of policy. > So, let's not try to write a law. The closer the fetus is to being a > baby, the more its chances of survival outside the womb, the more it is a > suitable subject for public policy. > > Siarlys > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sat Jan 19 23:59:59 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:59:59 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Lancing Clinton In-Reply-To: <20080119.184110.-412065.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> References: <20080119.184110.-412065.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <37915b720801192159n677f510bw889d316eb539564@mail.gmail.com> Speaking of Clinton, She just won Nevada's primary. SAD PANDA. What is this world coming to... LAnce On Jan 18, 2008 7:43 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > I agree with just about everything Lance said about Clinton. I just don't > trust her. She is not as obvious as Romney about her principles being > infinitely elastic if it helps her to get elected, but the same > reinvention is evident. Mostly though, I simply don't want the presidency > of the United States to bounce back and forth between Clintons and Bushes > for the forseeable future. > > What I remember about her book "It Takes A Village" is that she > substituted "government" for "village" and the two are not equivalent. > Our last few generations of children have suffered from not having a > large network of adults around to help raise and nurture them. But that > is individual adults who know the children, know their parents, are in > some but not all cases related to the parents, are physically around... > government is a totally different proposition. I don't want anyone to be > president who doesn't know the difference. > > Siarlys > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss > -- No animals were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a few million electrons were extremely inconvenienced... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080119/fabe41a9/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 20 00:35:35 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:35:35 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Lancing Clinton References: <20080119.184110.-412065.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> <37915b720801192159n677f510bw889d316eb539564@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b701c85b2e$aa681430$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Legalized whoredom is Clinton's best friend. (Both of them.) Of course she would win NV. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Speaking of Clinton, She just won Nevada's primary. SAD PANDA. What is this world coming to... LAnce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080119/273158cd/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 20 00:33:25 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:33:25 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Lancing Clinton In-Reply-To: <00b701c85b2e$aa681430$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <20080119.184110.-412065.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> <37915b720801192159n677f510bw889d316eb539564@mail.gmail.com> <00b701c85b2e$aa681430$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <37915b720801192233v5eca8a5fhf321b2df74658f6d@mail.gmail.com> And they just got done complaining (lawsuit) about how Nevada was holding its caucuses (after agreeing with it till the largest special interests group announced their support for Obama).. oh wait, "But Clinton had nothing to do with that, but she and her staff fully agree with the lawsuit". Lance On Jan 19, 2008 10:35 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > Legalized whoredom is Clinton's best friend. (Both of them.) Of course > she would win NV. > Jeanene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Speaking of Clinton, She just won Nevada's primary. SAD PANDA. What is > this world coming to... > LAnce > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080119/b8a197f3/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sat Jan 19 18:55:25 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:55:25 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] horsy-dorvees Message-ID: <20080120.200955.-1606363.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> When I was around 13, I read the word as horse deveurs. My mother became quite upset, since I had been taking French on and off in 4th, part of 5th, 7th and 8th grades. Mom thought I should know how to pronounce the word. However, I was reading it in a cookbook, otherwise written in English, and had never run across it in French. I have also heard it pronounced horse divers. I once had an ambition to open a French restaurant outside the gates of a military base, to be called Hors d'oevres and Commands. Then I would open one at a truck stop, to be called Les Cargo. Among the many things I have to be thankful for, is that I was able to write all of the above without having had any painful dental work done recently. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Mon Jan 21 09:53:15 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:53:15 -0500 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] clinton is dull In-Reply-To: <006801c85b26$a5f634c0$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB26B@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net> Jeanene A sad emoticon is :-(. Many New Yorkers talked of moving out of NY if hillary would get elected senator, but few actually did, as far as i know. i can't fathom what NYers saw in her then, or what people see in her now. of course, one benefit to NYers of her becoming president, would be that we'd be rid of her as senator. My problem is that i don't see any choices that are better. Too bad they can't all lose. greenBubble ________________________________ Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Nope, nuh-uh, not happening, negatory, no way, guess again. I was BORN into a Baptist home and when I moved away from home chose a community church that believed in the 5 points of Calvinism and was reformed (as in The Reformation) in its theology. My father thought I had joined a cult! For the past 20 years I have been active in the Evangelical Covenant Church which grew out of Sweden. Our church is friendly, active in the community, and Bible-based. Sadly, our pastor does NOT believe in predestination or preach about the sovereignty of God. He believes in the free will of man. I don't even remember a discussion of Episcopalians and homosexuality/marriage. That must have been on a different discussion list. I read a book called "Growing Up Baptist" and I laughed so hard I thought I would bust a gut. It was true on so many levels and yet wasn't offensive because I felt like I was poking fun at it myself. I have been privileged to attend Evensong at Oxford University. Was a bishop involved in that? I now think of you as a male, I'll have you know. My elder, but not yet 50. Maybe I'll send you a picture of me sitting in a pew with a bulletin in my hand with the piano/pianist in the background and the pastor behind the pulpit. Too bad I only have memories of those images, not actual pictures. And what's up with the last comment?!? I think it might have hurt my feelings! (Now how do I make an emoticon that is a crying, sad face?) Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- > Jeanene, somewhere way back when I thought you had said that your family, > and your entire church, were among the Episcopalians who were more or > less pulling out of the denomination because of its acceptance of > homosexual ministers, bishops and marriages. Now my memory is known to > have errors, I think the rate is one part per million bytes of data, or > something like that, or that's what I recall, but... > > IF you were ever Episcopalian, or Anglican, you would have bishops. > > Now you tell me you are Baptist, which is as great a shock to me as it > was to you to find out that I am (a) male, and (b) over 50. Pain makes everyone grumpy. But it doesn't seem to have changed you all that much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any included attachments are from Siemens Medical Solutions and are intended only for the addressee(s). The information contained herein may include trade secrets or privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail with a copy to Central.SecurityOffice at siemens.com Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080121/cfbfbfb3/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 20 20:59:26 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:59:26 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fixing Children Message-ID: <20080121.210346.-401341.1.jsiarlys@juno.com> On second reading Jeanene, your experience rings a chord. A couple of friends (more precisely, a married couple, one half of whom I have known since high school, the other half I met maybe nine years ago when they had been married twenty years or so), adopted a baby whose mother was fifteen, at the heartfelt request of the baby's grandmother. There was some back and forth on the part of the mother, and by the time they had him, he had attachment disorders too. He simply did not know, in the ways babies are supposed to know, who he belonged to or with, or whether anyone cared about him. Liz spent hours a day just holding him and looking into his eyes until he got a sense she was truly attached to him. He remained emotionally fragile about being apart from his adoptive parents for the rest of his life. He reached the age of nine without ever accepting toilet training -- Liz suspects that during the few months before they got him, he had been molested, which apparently results in such resistance. He passed away in his sleep this past year, beloved by all the children in the neighborhood, something of an expert angler, and with darn little prospects for making his future way in the world. When I visited them, I sometimes had a set of juggling balls. On a later visit, he wasn't sure who I was, but after an hour, he ran up to me with three tangerines he wanted juggled. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 20 20:49:22 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:49:22 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant Message-ID: <20080121.210346.-401341.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> Jeanene, your pastor sounds good to me. Predestination is non-Biblical gobbledegook, and I was raised Presbyterian, a church originally considered THE Calvinist denomination in the English speaking world. (Presently I'm local church historian at Judah Temple AME Zion, but living some distance away now, so I divide my time between a pentecostal and a WELS Lutheran church, although I could never join the latter -- a friend invited me and I like the people there.) C.S. Lewis laid that predestination nonsense to rest, in The Screwtape Letters, when he noted that God does not LOOK INTO the future to see what is GOING to happen. To God, it is all one unbounded NOW, as God is not bound by time. God sees the entirety of human history AS it is happening; to watch a man choose to do a thing is not the same thing as making him do it. The sovereignty of God is not in the least threatened by the free will of man, how could it be? He is God, man is merely man, a created being. I think free will is best understood by imagining a fifteen year old building a hundred robots, and programming them to march around the house loudly chanting "Bert is Great, Bert is Great" (or whatever the fifteen year old's name may be). Would that do anything for the creator's self esteem? No, he would have to program the robots with free will for their praise to mean anything. I admire your approach to being pro-life. It is exactly what anyone who is pro-life should do to put their beliefs into practice. If every individual who talks pro-life and votes pro-life would simply adopt all the unwanted children they could handle, we wouldn't have a political debate anymore. The world-wide capacity for really nurturing all these children would be fully absorbed, and nobody would have time to coerce anyone else. (Some of the more disappointing experiences, such as yours, might inspire second thoughts about the wisdom of REQUIRING every pregnant woman to bring EVERY fetus to term and into the world, however damaged.) I am firmly pro-choice, but then, I've never needed an abortion, and, I love children too. I spend as much time helping overworked parents with the ones they already have as I can. I don't think I would take on raising a child unless I were married -- too much for one person and not entirely fair to the child, although millions make it somehow. On the other hand, I have a daydream that someone leaves a newborn baby in a basket in the front hallway of the apartment building I live in, and I find it before the manager sees it and calls the police. I already know the legal procedure for keeping it, obtaining an alternate birth certificate, and keeping the social workers out of the picture. But I would have to get a bigger place -- one with a separate bedroom and I'll sleep in the living room. Or even a house where I could plant hollyhocks and nasturtiums. Clinton? I think I also read that Obama got more delegates, just as, in Iowa, Edwards came in 2nd but Clinton got more delegates than Edwards. I would like to see Edwards and/or Obama first and/or second in every primary, and Clinton third. But she is bound to win a few. Strangely, I can find headlines about McCain winning South Carolina, but not about who won the Democratic primary. What we really need is a new party, with a platform consisting of everything that all members of this discussion group can reach consensus on. Anything we all agree to is worthy of being written into law. Anything we disagree about, the government should keep its nose out of. It doesn't have to be this group; there are similar odd combinations of people I would make the same statement about. Me, the young man who plays the keyboard at church, the devoted George Bush voter he worked with for several years, and the orthodox rabbi who also worked for the same company, could fill the same purpose. Siarlys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080120/81945db2/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Tue Jan 22 08:48:50 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:48:50 -0500 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant In-Reply-To: <20080121.210346.-401341.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB27C@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net> Strangely, I can find headlines about McCain winning South Carolina, but not about who won the Democratic primary. They didn't have it yet. greenBubble ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any included attachments are from Siemens Medical Solutions and are intended only for the addressee(s). The information contained herein may include trade secrets or privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail with a copy to Central.SecurityOffice at siemens.com Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080122/d0afd699/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Tue Jan 22 13:07:31 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:07:31 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant In-Reply-To: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB27C@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net> References: <20080121.210346.-401341.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB27C@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net> Message-ID: <37915b720801221107n6c8887d9rc5b0af08fb44e2c0@mail.gmail.com> I can find headlines about McCain winning South Carolina, but not about who won the Democratic primary. Democratic one is on the 29th of January. CNN has a page I tripped over last week that laid it out and I was shocked (I'm sure I shouldn't be) to find it wasn't on the same day as the Republicans. It's a shame to see Obama getting sucked into petty fighting with Clinton, only to have Edwards play referee/sensible person caring about the people. Lance On 1/22/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > > Strangely, I can find headlines about McCain winning South Carolina, but > not about who won the Democratic primary. > > > They didn't have it yet. > > ** > > greenBubble > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080122/5d39254a/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 08:54:44 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:54:44 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess Message-ID: <20080123145444.GW30800@gcfl.net> Rick Burgess is Rick of the Rick and Bubba Show (http://www.rickandbubba.com). Memorial Services for Bronner Burgess By Jennifer Hale http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2008-01-22-0016.html Almost four thousand people turned out Tuesday to say their final farewells to the young son of a local radio host. Rick Burgess and his family held a public memorial service for their two-year-old son William Bronner Burgess at Shades Mountain Baptist Church. Bronner drowned in the family pool Saturday night. Tuesday's service was anything but typical. It was emotional, but likely in a way not many people expected. Rick Burgess spoke through most of the ceremony. He didn't share many personal memories or stories about his son. Instead Burgess challenged people to honor Bronner by changing their lives and strengthening their Christian faith. He also encouraged people who weren't Christians to become dedicate their lives to Christ right there on the spot. After the service, people like David DuBose described it as the most moving message they'd heard in a long time. "It absolutely inspired me. It's a rededication in my own life to Christ - as well as to tell my child how important it is everyday to live your life for Christ," says DuBose. Burgess also publicly pledged to change his priorities. He says he plans to step up his own public ministry efforts in the future. Friends predict it's a promise Burgess will honor. "The Birmingham area and this nation are going to see a different Rick Burgess. A man who his entire focus is going to change," says Jonathan Womelsdorf. John Price GCFL Director -- Today I met with a subliminal advertising executive for just a second. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom! From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 09:03:58 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:03:58 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess In-Reply-To: <20080123145444.GW30800@gcfl.net> References: <20080123145444.GW30800@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <20080123150358.GX30800@gcfl.net> More info http://www.myfoxal.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5549172&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Video from Bubba http://www.myfoxal.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5538953&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Please pray for the Burgess family. John Price -- Today I... No, that wasn't me. Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom! From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Mon Jan 21 21:20:50 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:20:50 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] green is NY Message-ID: <20080123.091032.-464061.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> I think we should have the option of voting for NONE OF THE ABOVE. Also, if in the final election, nobody gets 55%, we should run it again with a new set of candidates, while the wife of the top vote-getter serves as caretaker. The silver lining for Wisconsin when GWB was elected president was that Tommy Thompson was kicked upstairs to become secretary of HEW. He played some funny games there, centralizing press interviews for the entire health bureaucracy so he would have "one department speaking with one voice." It sounded sort of like "ein reich, ein volk, ein tommy." But he couldn't do as much damage as he did when he was governor. I think what most New Yorkers saw in Hillary was that she was not the lackluster Republican who wasn't the liberal they were more or less inclined toward, although I sympathized with the people I saw on the street collecting signatures for a Democratic primary alternative. It is incredible hubris for her to run, no matter how much she aches to get the reins of power in her own hot little hands, because she is the Democrat most likely to lose. Even if she ekes out a majority, she won't be able to lead effectively, because the opposition will be large and intractable. Oh well, that's enough about Hillary. I don't think she will be nominated. I'm inclined toward an Obama/Edwards ticket. It would be a disappointment for Edwards to run for second spot again, but, he probably can't be the nominee, and, he has a lot to offer. He could have swung a couple of southern states in 04 if Kerry's strategists hadn't been stupid and written off the entire south. Siarlys On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:53:15 -0500 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: Jeanene A sad emoticon is :-(. Many New Yorkers talked of moving out of NY if hillary would get elected senator, but few actually did, as far as i know. i can't fathom what NYers saw in her then, or what people see in her now. of course, one benefit to NYers of her becoming president, would be that we'd be rid of her as senator. My problem is that i don't see any choices that are better. Too bad they can't all lose. greenBubble Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Dull Nope, nuh-uh, not happening, negatory, no way, guess again. I was BORN into a Baptist home and when I moved away from home chose a community church that believed in the 5 points of Calvinism and was reformed (as in The Reformation) in its theology. My father thought I had joined a cult! For the past 20 years I have been active in the Evangelical Covenant Church which grew out of Sweden. Our church is friendly, active in the community, and Bible-based. Sadly, our pastor does NOT believe in predestination or preach about the sovereignty of God. He believes in the free will of man. I don't even remember a discussion of Episcopalians and homosexuality/marriage. That must have been on a different discussion list. I read a book called "Growing Up Baptist" and I laughed so hard I thought I would bust a gut. It was true on so many levels and yet wasn't offensive because I felt like I was poking fun at it myself. I have been privileged to attend Evensong at Oxford University. Was a bishop involved in that? I now think of you as a male, I'll have you know. My elder, but not yet 50. Maybe I'll send you a picture of me sitting in a pew with a bulletin in my hand with the piano/pianist in the background and the pastor behind the pulpit. Too bad I only have memories of those images, not actual pictures. And what's up with the last comment?!? I think it might have hurt my feelings! (Now how do I make an emoticon that is a crying, sad face?) Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- > Jeanene, somewhere way back when I thought you had said that your family, > and your entire church, were among the Episcopalians who were more or > less pulling out of the denomination because of its acceptance of > homosexual ministers, bishops and marriages. Now my memory is known to > have errors, I think the rate is one part per million bytes of data, or > something like that, or that's what I recall, but... > > IF you were ever Episcopalian, or Anglican, you would have bishops. > > Now you tell me you are Baptist, which is as great a shock to me as it > was to you to find out that I am (a) male, and (b) over 50. Pain makes everyone grumpy. But it doesn't seem to have changed you all that much. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This message and any included attachments are from Siemens Medical Solutions and are intended only for the addressee(s). The information contained herein may include trade secrets or privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail with a copy to Central.SecurityOffice at siemens.com Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080121/b132d732/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 17:58:01 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:58:01 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fixing Children References: <20080121.210346.-401341.1.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <016b01c85e1b$c9f2a730$6501a8c0@Jeanene> What a sad, sweet story. Thanks for sharing it with me. Jeanene From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 09:49:05 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:49:05 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant Message-ID: <20080123.224714.-425489.0.jsiarlys@juno.com> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:48:50 -0500 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: Strangely, I can find headlines about McCain winning South Carolina, but not about who won the Democratic primary. Oh yes, I finally ran across that too. Strange way to hold a primary. They never did it that way when I was growing up. It is too bad that Obama is getting suckered into bickering with Hillary, but I don't mind Edwards being the "above the fray" referee. If Obama hadn't got into the picture, Edwards would have been my favorite for sure. I'm still not sure which one can really sweep the general election. I like that Edwards is more of a fighter than Obama, although there are reasons Obama has to be more of a nice guy. Siarlys They didn't have it yet. greenBubble ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This message and any included attachments are from Siemens Medical Solutions and are intended only for the addressee(s). The information contained herein may include trade secrets or privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail with a copy to Central.SecurityOffice at siemens.com Thank you -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080123/8eb94af4/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 11:21:29 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:21:29 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess Message-ID: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> I was going to ask where the punch line was... but no, this obviously was meant to be taken seriously. What I still wonder is, what is Rick Burgess changing his life FROM? I am not personally familiar with the Rick and Bubba show. It could be many things. Some of my favorite American heroes are Bubbas -- the kind who followed Huey P. Long, Populists such as Tom Watson (before he sold out to Hoke Smith), and the un-named trusty who gave my mother's cousin Nancy a ride on the mule when she was out picking berries in the mountains with her father. Then again, there are people who take the Bubba label as a brand for the crudest racial stereotypes, not only cursing out people of known African descent, but also projecting that pale-skinned people who work for a living are profane alcholics who beat their wives and boast about it. My guess is, the Rick and Bubba show was none of the above, or John Price wouldn't be a fan of the show. He would be a fan of many things I wouldn't, but these are not among them. Still, when someone talks about rededicating their life to Christ, it can mean whatever the listener finds convenient for it to mean. It can mean continuing to live their life the same old way. It can mean selling all their real property to dedicate the rest of their lives in a rural self-help project in Venezuala. It can mean giving up swearing, drinking, drugs, and may also mean getting a job, or merely being more civil to co-workers at the well-paid job they already have. greenBubble is not going to dedicated his life to Christ, he has dedicated himself to an older covenant relationship to G-d, without which Christ would have had no context for the gentiles to come to know him. I sometimes wonder whether to resond to an altar call, because I often go to churches that have them, but a little voice always says 'I claimed you a long time ago, why are you worrying about doing what's already done?' Still, there are many who obviously find something at the altar they didn't already have. But since Christian faith, in practice, encompasses so many kinds of people living so many kinds of lives with so many different and even conflicting priorities, I still wonder what Rick Burgess is leaving behind and what he is taking up. He sounds sincere, but sincerely what? May his son rest in peace in any case. Siarlys From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Wed Jan 23 23:08:29 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:08:29 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess In-Reply-To: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> References: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <20080124050829.GN5510@gcfl.net> I encourage you to listen to Rick's words during the memorial service at http://www.rickandbubba.com . Audio and video are available. Regardless of your particular belief, if you are a follower of Jesus or of the one True God of the Holy Bible, I think you can benefit from his words. I also have a 2-year-old son, and I don't know how I would handle it if he died. I was humbled by the way Rick and his family are dealing with this tragic moment in their lives. It is obvious to me that he is tapped into something that is more powerful than anything man has to offer. I am continually amazed how God can take a bad thing and turn it into a good thing for His glory. jp On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:21:29AM -0600, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List wrote: > I was going to ask where the punch line was... but no, this obviously was > meant to be taken seriously. What I still wonder is, what is Rick Burgess > changing his life FROM? > > I am not personally familiar with the Rick and Bubba show. It could be > many things. > > Some of my favorite American heroes are Bubbas -- the kind who followed > Huey P. Long, Populists such as Tom Watson (before he sold out to Hoke > Smith), and the un-named trusty who gave my mother's cousin Nancy a ride > on the mule when she was out picking berries in the mountains with her > father. > > Then again, there are people who take the Bubba label as a brand for the > crudest racial stereotypes, not only cursing out people of known African > descent, but also projecting that pale-skinned people who work for a > living are profane alcholics who beat their wives and boast about it. > > My guess is, the Rick and Bubba show was none of the above, or John Price > wouldn't be a fan of the show. He would be a fan of many things I > wouldn't, but these are not among them. > > Still, when someone talks about rededicating their life to Christ, it can > mean whatever the listener finds convenient for it to mean. It can mean > continuing to live their life the same old way. It can mean selling all > their real property to dedicate the rest of their lives in a rural > self-help project in Venezuala. It can mean giving up swearing, drinking, > drugs, and may also mean getting a job, or merely being more civil to > co-workers at the well-paid job they already have. > > greenBubble is not going to dedicated his life to Christ, he has > dedicated himself to an older covenant relationship to G-d, without which > Christ would have had no context for the gentiles to come to know him. I > sometimes wonder whether to resond to an altar call, because I often go > to churches that have them, but a little voice always says 'I claimed you > a long time ago, why are you worrying about doing what's already done?' > Still, there are many who obviously find something at the altar they > didn't already have. > > But since Christian faith, in practice, encompasses so many kinds of > people living so many kinds of lives with so many different and even > conflicting priorities, I still wonder what Rick Burgess is leaving > behind and what he is taking up. He sounds sincere, but sincerely what? > May his son rest in peace in any case. > > Siarlys > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss -- Winny would spend all of his time practicing limbo... He got pretty good... He could go under a rug... Have a great day and don't forget to laugh! http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good, clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom! From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 17:49:58 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:49:58 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary Message-ID: <015101c85ee3$d42c4f80$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Guess what came in the mail today? A sample ballot for the Presidential Primary on February 5th. How has the primary already arrived?!? I need it to be later in the year. I haven't read enough or had enough discussions to be able to make so critical a decision! I am panicked! Jeanene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/0539d255/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 17:45:57 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:45:57 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary In-Reply-To: <015101c85ee3$d42c4f80$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <015101c85ee3$d42c4f80$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <37915b720801241545g64dc23e9saeb05dceed074765@mail.gmail.com> I hear you on that one Jeanene. But I'm not sure anyone cares what Washington people have to say. I think I'm fairly secure in my Democratic vote, but for Republican... no clue at all. Or do we get to vote both sides? ~Lance On 1/24/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > > Guess what came in the mail today? > A sample ballot for the Presidential Primary on February 5th. How has the > primary already arrived?!? I need it to be later in the year. I haven't > read enough or had enough discussions to be able to make so critical > a decision! > I am panicked! > Jeanene > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/938ab52e/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 18:06:13 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:06:13 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess References: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> <20080124050829.GN5510@gcfl.net> Message-ID: <019201c85ee6$19289c40$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Bronner's dad's reaction to the death of his son reminds me so much of the Amish community's response to the death of their children at the hand of a monster. Their reaction (and his) perplexes us -- even me, and I claim to be a born-again Christian who believes the Word of God. It's not natural, it's not normal. It is beyond what we are capable of understanding. But I do believe in the supernatural gifts of grace and mercy and the strength of God to inhabit a person in such a way that they think differently than the average person. Bronner's father trusts in the Almighty God to not make a mistake; to do what is best, no matter what it looks like from my perspective. That kind of faith is the kind I want to have. Jeanene From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 18:13:46 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:13:46 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary References: <015101c85ee3$d42c4f80$6501a8c0@Jeanene> <37915b720801241545g64dc23e9saeb05dceed074765@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a701c85ee7$276b5120$6501a8c0@Jeanene> I am 49 years old. And I still wish that sometimes my parents would tell me what to do. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- From: Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List To: Red Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary I hear you on that one Jeanene. But I'm not sure anyone cares what Washington people have to say. I think I'm fairly secure in my Democratic vote, but for Republican... no clue at all. Or do we get to vote both sides? ~Lance On 1/24/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List wrote: Guess what came in the mail today? A sample ballot for the Presidential Primary on February 5th. How has the primary already arrived?!? I need it to be later in the year. I haven't read enough or had enough discussions to be able to make so critical a decision! I am panicked! Jeanene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ GCFL-discuss mailing list GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/c31366bf/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 18:47:39 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:47:39 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess In-Reply-To: <019201c85ee6$19289c40$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> <20080124050829.GN5510@gcfl.net> <019201c85ee6$19289c40$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <37915b720801241647m45bf246cn9ab9199452275401@mail.gmail.com> AMEN!!! Preach it Jeanene! ~Lance On 1/24/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > > Bronner's dad's reaction to the death of his son reminds me so much of the > Amish community's response to the death of their children at the hand of a > monster. Their reaction (and his) perplexes us -- even me, and I claim to > be a born-again Christian who believes the Word of God. It's not natural, > it's not normal. It is beyond what we are capable of understanding. > But I do believe in the supernatural gifts of grace and mercy and the > strength of God to inhabit a person in such a way that they think > differently than the average person. Bronner's father trusts in the > Almighty God to not make a mistake; to do what is best, no matter what it > looks like from my perspective. That kind of faith is the kind I want to > have. > Jeanene > > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss > -- No animals were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a few million electrons were extremely inconvenienced... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/6593d8a9/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 25 11:13:17 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:13:17 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant References: <20080121.210346.-401341.0.jsiarlys@juno.com><731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB27C@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net> <37915b720801221107n6c8887d9rc5b0af08fb44e2c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <064d01c85f75$94766aa0$6501a8c0@Jeanene> WHY aren't the primaries held on the same day?!? Haven't they always been? Now people will know with which party you've registered. That doesn't seem right... And WHO is going to tell me how to vote at the primary election? Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Democratic one is on the 29th of January. CNN has a page I tripped over last week that laid it out and I was shocked (I'm sure I shouldn't be) to find it wasn't on the same day as the Republicans. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080125/cbf6ee9f/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 25 15:54:16 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:54:16 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] William Bronner Burgess In-Reply-To: <019201c85ee6$19289c40$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <20080123.224714.-425489.2.jsiarlys@juno.com> <20080124050829.GN5510@gcfl.net> <019201c85ee6$19289c40$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <1ff59ba0801251354w79c54df3jaa855effbadd9dec@mail.gmail.com> "It's not natural, it's not normal. It is beyond what we are capable of understanding." This could be said about a lot of what Jesus did too... :) jp On Jan 24, 2008 6:06 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > Bronner's dad's reaction to the death of his son reminds me so much of the > Amish community's response to the death of their children at the hand of a > monster. Their reaction (and his) perplexes us -- even me, and I claim to > be a born-again Christian who believes the Word of God. It's not natural, > it's not normal. It is beyond what we are capable of understanding. > But I do believe in the supernatural gifts of grace and mercy and the > strength of God to inhabit a person in such a way that they think > differently than the average person. Bronner's father trusts in the > Almighty God to not make a mistake; to do what is best, no matter what it > looks like from my perspective. That kind of faith is the kind I want to > have. > Jeanene > > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080125/d338cc04/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 18:50:06 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:50:06 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Burgess Amish Tucker Message-ID: <20080125.223341.-415341.6.jsiarlys@juno.com> I'm not sure I want to look at every tragedy in the world and say, God willed that it should happen. No doubt God does some things that seem painful which turn out for good, and some things happen in ways we wouldn't have chosen that we can look back on and say, oh, that really put me in a good place. But there have been many moving stories about people who blamed God for their loss -- the most moving of course include how they eventually overcame their rejection, but it doesn't always happen. Bronner's dad dealt well with what happened to his family. I have found it more sustaining to say, when things go well, Praise the Lord, when they don't, things obviously are not yet in line with how God intends for them to be. Otherwise we get people proclaiming that God deliberately inflicted hurricane Katrina, or asking what did God have against several thousand children living around the Indian Ocean. The Amish community had a twisted human being to blame, not an act of God, and had the grace to reach out to his innocent family while grieving for their loss. That was amazing, as amazing as the brother of the woman killed by Karla Faye Tucker going to see her and saying "I forgive you." But think how wonderful it must have felt once it was said. Charlie On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:06:13 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: > Bronner's dad's reaction to the death of his son reminds me so much > of the Amish community's response to the death of their children at the > hand of a monster. Their reaction (and his) perplexes us -- even me, and I > claim to be a born-again Christian who believes the Word of God. It's not > natural, it's not normal. It is beyond what we are capable of > understanding. But I do believe in the supernatural gifts of grace and mercy and > the strength of God to inhabit a person in such a way that they think > differently than the average person. Bronner's father trusts in the Almighty God to not > make a mistake; to do what is best, no matter what it > looks like from my perspective. That kind of faith is the kind I > want to > have. > Jeanene > > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/d822c485/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Thu Jan 24 18:37:32 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:37:32 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary Message-ID: <20080125.223341.-415341.5.jsiarlys@juno.com> In most states, you only get to vote in one party primary or the other. The theory is, you can choose which party you want to be a part of, but the primary is for members of a political party to decide who they want their party to nominate for consideration by the general electorate, which in theory is a bunch of other people. Primaries are better than ward heelers and party bosses picking candidates in smoke-filled rooms, then telling the rest of us "pick dis or dat." However, now that we use primaries and almost everyone has an opinon, I believe we should shift to a system where everyone runs in one big primary, anyone who is a bona fide member of any party can put that party label next to their name if they want, and the top two, three, or four candidates run in a final -- which really should be an order-of-preference ballot. Like, I can list Edwards #1, but if he gets the fewest #1 votes, my vote is transferred to Obama, and if he comes in last in the next round, it gets transferred to Huckabee, so my vote can help make sure that the winner is NOT Giuliani or Romney. Jeanene, my unsolicited advice is to flip a coin: heads, vote for Obama, tails, vote for Edwards, if it lands on edge and doesn't tip, vote for Romney. Siarlys On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:45:57 -0800 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: I hear you on that one Jeanene. But I'm not sure anyone cares what Washington people have to say. I think I'm fairly secure in my Democratic vote, but for Republican... no clue at all. Or do we get to vote both sides? ~Lance On 1/24/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List wrote: Guess what came in the mail today? A sample ballot for the Presidential Primary on February 5th. How has the primary already arrived?!? I need it to be later in the year. I haven't read enough or had enough discussions to be able to make so critical a decision! I am panicked! Jeanene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080124/320638a1/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Fri Jan 25 22:55:20 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:55:20 -0600 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Evangelical Covenant Message-ID: <20080126.201741.-463989.1.jsiarlys@juno.com> Jeanene, you know I would be happy to tell you how to vote. Siarlys On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:13:17 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: WHY aren't the primaries held on the same day?!? Haven't they always been? Now people will know with which party you've registered. That doesn't seem right... And WHO is going to tell me how to vote at the primary election? Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Democratic one is on the 29th of January. CNN has a page I tripped over last week that laid it out and I was shocked (I'm sure I shouldn't be) to find it wasn't on the same day as the Republicans. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080125/cd94b090/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 27 12:27:10 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:27:10 -0700 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary References: <20080125.223341.-415341.5.jsiarlys@juno.com> Message-ID: <017301c86112$3b1bc380$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Ummm, I am a Republican, Lance(?)/ greenbubble(?) is the Democrat. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Jeanene, my unsolicited advice is to flip a coin: heads, vote for Obama, tails, vote for Edwards, if it lands on edge and doesn't tip, vote for Romney. Siarlys -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://gcfl.net/pipermail/gcfl-discuss/attachments/20080127/adf5d60f/attachment.htm From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net Sun Jan 27 16:50:15 2008 From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:50:15 -0800 Subject: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary In-Reply-To: <017301c86112$3b1bc380$6501a8c0@Jeanene> References: <20080125.223341.-415341.5.jsiarlys@juno.com> <017301c86112$3b1bc380$6501a8c0@Jeanene> Message-ID: <37915b720801271450w450a3f48ne34024b2368d96ec@mail.gmail.com> Lance actually is neither. I don't vote party lines. I HATE party lines. By voting party line you sacrifice that which is most dear - your freedom. No one party truly represents me. Therefore I vote on the person not the party. My senior year of High School I took a Current World Issues teacher had us take a test to see what line we sat on. He said he knew what I was, but wouldn't tell me till after the test. True to my word I fell right down the middle 25/25. Not strong for either side, and he failed to tell me what he thought I was. I would say I'm conservative, but that doesn't mean they automatically get my vote. ~Lance On Jan 27, 2008 10:27 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List < gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: > Ummm, I am a Republican, Lance(?)/ greenbubble(?) is the Democrat. > Jeanene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Jeanene, my unsolicited advice is to flip a coin: heads, vote for Obama, > tails, vote for Edwards, if it lands on edge and doesn't tip, vote for > Romney. > Siarlys > > > _______________________________________________ > GCFL-discuss mailing list > GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net > http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss > > -- No animals were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a few million electrons were extremely inconvenienced... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At one point I was in favor of former NYC Mayor Giuliani, but now I'm not so sure. If he gets clobbered in Florida, it will be moot, anyway. BTW, no NYC mayor has ever gone on to higher elected office. The last one who tried was John Lindsay, who drove the city's finances into the ground. He was heckled by NYers at every turn and threw in the towel after Florida. greenBubble Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] the Primary Lance actually is neither. I don't vote party lines. I HATE party lines. By voting party line you sacrifice that which is most dear - your freedom. No one party truly represents me. Therefore I vote on the person not the party. My senior year of High School I took a Current World Issues teacher had us take a test to see what line we sat on. He said he knew what I was, but wouldn't tell me till after the test. True to my word I fell right down the middle 25/25. Not strong for either side, and he failed to tell me what he thought I was. I would say I'm conservative, but that doesn't mean they automatically get my vote. ~Lance On Jan 27, 2008 10:27 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List wrote: Ummm, I am a Republican, Lance(?)/ greenbubble(?) is the Democrat. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Jeanene, my unsolicited advice is to flip a coin: heads, vote for Obama, tails, vote for Edwards, if it lands on edge and doesn't tip, vote for Romney. Siarlys _______________________________________________ GCFL-discuss mailing list GCFL-discuss at gcfl.net http://gcfl.net/mailman/listinfo/gcfl-discuss -- No animals were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a few million electrons were extremely inconvenienced... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any included attachments are from Siemens Medical Solutions and are intended only for the addressee(s). 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The Blob," starring GWB as anti-Christ (he reminds me of Damien in OMEN III) and Al Gore as The Blob, because in his career he has taken every possible position on every possible issue. (He was the one who first made Willy Horton into a campaign issue). But after seeing how much damage GWB did to our country, I'm not so sure. My favorite gospel columnist recently noted that one Ann Coulter (I think she's the dumb blonde Jeanene and I had fun kicking around a few months ago) said "If Democrats had brains they's be Republicans." I noted, if Ms. Coulter loved her enemies, she would be a Christian. Siarlys On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:27:10 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" writes: Ummm, I am a Republican, Lance(?)/ greenbubble(?) is the Democrat. Jeanene ----- Original Message ----- Jeanene, my unsolicited advice is to flip a coin: heads, vote for Obama, tails, vote for Edwards, if it lands on edge and doesn't tip, vote for Romney. 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