From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Mon Sep  1 21:54:36 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:54:36 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Veteran
Message-ID: <20080901.215454.-411623.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Today is Labor Day. At least, when I write this it still is. When you
read this, Labor Day will probably be over. I drove a bus in the Labor
Day parade with my union, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 998. At the
last minute a disable veteran struggled over and asked if he could ride
with me. He is also a retiree from the International Association of
Machinists. His war was no earlier than Vietnam. Of course, I drive a
paratransit bus, so picking up disabled people is what I do 40 + hours a
week, but I would have taken him anyway.

He told me he had been working a table supporting Barack Obama at an
annual fair in a semi-suburbanized rural town called St. Martin's. A
number of men had told him he should be supporting John McCain, because
"Veterans should support veterans." He said he showed them the Disabled
American Veterans voting scorecard on issues of concern to veterans, and
McCain had about a 10%. They were not only shocked, but convinced that
the whole thing was lies and propaganda. They returned to the theme
"veterans should support veterans." None of them were veterans. I'm not
either, but the man telling me this is. One of the hecklers said "I'm the
son of the mayor of New Berlin," like that made him an authority on who
veterans should vote for. He said "When John McCain supports veterans,
that's when he'll get my vote."

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Mon Sep  1 23:52:52 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:52:52 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>

What makes you think I am a Republican?
My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We have been 
very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a lack of 
desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing 
Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too 
generous.  Always have been, always will be.
I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't know how 
to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, but I 
fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
Jeanene

Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle


----- Original Message ----- 
> (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting to see
> how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up with
> anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit card all
> the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
> philosophy after all.)
>
> Siarlys 


From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 01:39:11 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:39:11 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Resolutions
In-Reply-To: <20080831.211502.-487727.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809012339y31208ec6p1cf6dbc2773d5fe9@mail.gmail.com>

Actually John did sign it... for those who frequent this discuss list we all
know him by his random funny & "Have a great day and don't forget to laugh!"
Signature:
"> Thanks Siarlys.
>
> --
> Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.
>
> Have a great day and don't forget to laugh!"
~Lance

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> I know exactly what I was saying John, but I like a good challenge.
>
> If I lived in Alabama, I would put the Obama sign in my yard WITH the G
> and hope it moved a few voters to say, oh yeah, I've got to vote for this
> guy.
>
> Every time I see somebody with pale pink skin driving a pick-up truck
> with an Obama sticker on it, I get a little more confident. And I see
> that almost every day.
>
> Siarlys
>
> P.S. If you were in a tax bracket where you needed to worry about Obama,
> you wouldn't be asking us to send a dollar or two to subsidize GCFL.
>
> P.P.S. Someone asked who wrote this, and they didn't sign their own user
> name. I knew it was John, because it was either John or Lance, and Lance
> had already responded, somewhat differently. In fact, each responded
> about the way I expected. Well, I have my work cut out for me.
>
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:31:23 -0500 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
> List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
> > I usually don't mix politics and GCFL, but I had to say
> > something here...
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 08:10:10PM -0500, Siarlys wrote:
> > >
> > > I think my best prospects are Lance, and John Price.
> >
> > HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
> >
> > Good luck with that... :)
> >
> > > Besides, how could anyone with a sense of humor vote for McCain?
> >
> > You do have a point there... but McCain is SO MUCH better
> > than Obama.  Taxes.
> >
> > Around here they stopped putting up Obama signs cause
> > people keep writing a "G" in front of Obama so it reads
> > "Go Bama!"
> >
> > HE HE HE HE HE... Me vote Democrat... I haven't laughed that
> > hard in some time...
> >
> > Thanks Siarlys.
> >
> > --
> > Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.
> >
> > Have a great day and don't forget to laugh!
> >
> > http://www.gcfl.net (The Good, Clean Funnies List): Good,
> > clean daily funnies you can safely tell your Mom!
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 01:52:42 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:52:42 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Veteran
In-Reply-To: <20080901.215454.-411623.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080901.215454.-411623.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809012352o2acf88cehd86741c5d831c098@mail.gmail.com>

And how many times has Obama voted on Veteran critical issues?? Less than
10%?
Just because McCain voted 10% doesn't mean anything until we have a
comparison to what Obama has done. If someone were to say Obama voted with
Veterans 50% of the time then I know McCain votes only 1 fifth of the time
that Obama does and have a comparison. But to tell me no other statistics
with that tells me nothing.
~Lance

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> Today is Labor Day. At least, when I write this it still is. When you
> read this, Labor Day will probably be over. I drove a bus in the Labor
> Day parade with my union, Amalgamated Transit Union Local 998. At the
> last minute a disable veteran struggled over and asked if he could ride
> with me. He is also a retiree from the International Association of
> Machinists. His war was no earlier than Vietnam. Of course, I drive a
> paratransit bus, so picking up disabled people is what I do 40 + hours a
> week, but I would have taken him anyway.
>
> He told me he had been working a table supporting Barack Obama at an
> annual fair in a semi-suburbanized rural town called St. Martin's. A
> number of men had told him he should be supporting John McCain, because
> "Veterans should support veterans." He said he showed them the Disabled
> American Veterans voting scorecard on issues of concern to veterans, and
> McCain had about a 10%. They were not only shocked, but convinced that
> the whole thing was lies and propaganda. They returned to the theme
> "veterans should support veterans." None of them were veterans. I'm not
> either, but the man telling me this is. One of the hecklers said "I'm the
> son of the mayor of New Berlin," like that made him an authority on who
> veterans should vote for. He said "When John McCain supports veterans,
> that's when he'll get my vote."
>
> Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 01:59:15 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:59:15 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
In-Reply-To: <4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
Message-ID: <37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>

Is Obama as financially savvy as Clinton? Will the Democrats support such a
thing?
Will they raise the taxes on Corporations and remove tax credits so we can
return to Corporations paying the bulk of taxes instead of the lower and
middle class?
~Lance

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> What makes you think I am a Republican?
> My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We have been
> very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a lack
> of
> desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing
> Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too
> generous.  Always have been, always will be.
> I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't know how
> to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, but I
> fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
> Jeanene
>
> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting to see
> > how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up with
> > anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit card all
> > the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
> > philosophy after all.)
> >
> > Siarlys
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 18:36:57 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:36:57 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
In-Reply-To: <37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
	<37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809021636i79946a89s24934a3796b1d149@mail.gmail.com>

Siarlys... here's an interesting article on the Republicans: <
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/cafferty.republicans/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#>
Mind offering a defense and rebuttle to this?
~Lance

On 9/1/08, Lance Kirkman <romans832 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is Obama as financially savvy as Clinton? Will the Democrats support such a
> thing?
> Will they raise the taxes on Corporations and remove tax credits so we can
> return to Corporations paying the bulk of taxes instead of the lower and
> middle class?
> ~Lance
>
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:
>
>> What makes you think I am a Republican?
>> My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We have
>> been
>> very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a lack
>> of
>> desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing
>> Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too
>> generous.  Always have been, always will be.
>> I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't know
>> how
>> to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, but I
>> fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
>> Jeanene
>>
>> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
>> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting to see
>> > how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up with
>> > anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit card all
>> > the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
>> > philosophy after all.)
>> >
>> > Siarlys
>>
>


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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 19:05:52 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:05:52 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
In-Reply-To: <37915b720809021636i79946a89s24934a3796b1d149@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
	<37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>
	<37915b720809021636i79946a89s24934a3796b1d149@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e2abda540809021705t41bb10c7qa5a3188fbe005947@mail.gmail.com>

Siarlys,

How do you even know what Obama actually stands for?   Are you just taking
his word for it, or looking at his voting record?   On anything
controversial, it seems that he simply votes 'present', rather than actually
take a position.

IMHO, Obama has one strong characteristic:   He is a master politician.
That is to say that he is a master of sounding like he will do exactly what
everyone wants.  Wherever the political wind starts to blow, that is what he
supports.   Never mind that it is exactly 180 degrees from what he was
supporting just last week.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/15/mccain-camp-mocks-obama-for-refining-iraq-position-on-web-site/


I know the list has been quiet, but does it *really* need to be a political
discussion board?

Just a thought,

Matthew
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 18:36, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> Siarlys... here's an interesting article on the Republicans: <
> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/cafferty.republicans/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#>
> Mind offering a defense and rebuttle to this?
> ~Lance
>
> On 9/1/08, Lance Kirkman <romans832 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is Obama as financially savvy as Clinton? Will the Democrats support such
>> a thing?
>> Will they raise the taxes on Corporations and remove tax credits so we can
>> return to Corporations paying the bulk of taxes instead of the lower and
>> middle class?
>> ~Lance
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
>> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What makes you think I am a Republican?
>>> My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We have
>>> been
>>> very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a lack
>>> of
>>> desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing
>>> Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too
>>> generous.  Always have been, always will be.
>>> I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't know
>>> how
>>> to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, but
>>> I
>>> fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
>>> Jeanene
>>>
>>> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
>>> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> > (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting to see
>>> > how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up with
>>> > anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit card
>>> all
>>> > the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
>>> > philosophy after all.)
>>> >
>>> > Siarlys
>>>
>>
>
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 20:49:28 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:49:28 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Free Lance
Message-ID: <20080903.210701.-411543.5.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Lance, I looked up Romans 8:32 before looking up anything else you asked
about. It would be redundant to observe, that is true. My personal
inclination in Romans is toward Romans 12:1, but that is why there is so
much in the entire book: there are so many things to be said, and so many
different people to say them to, none of whom can grasp them all.

You've asked me three different questions.

As to the voting records on veterans, the "score sheet" the disabled
veteran mentioned to me is not a measure of how many times a senator
shows up to vote. It is a record of how many times the senator voted
favorably on legislation Disabled American Veterans advocated for, or
voted against legislation DAV wanted defeated. John McCain's votes went
the way DAV advocated 10% of the time. Now DAV may or may not accurately
represent the real interests and needs of most or all disabled veterans,
but I don't know of any organization of similar scope which offers a
counter-claim.

I went to the DAV web site, entered my parents' zip code, which is in
Illinois, and got a listing of Key Votes for Senator Obama. There was one
red x, meaning he voted against an amendment they supported, all the rest
were either green checks (14), meaning he voted the way they advocated (Y
or N), one not scored, and three he was ineligible to vote, which I
presume means it was a vote in a committee that he is not part of. For
whatever weight it carries, that's the score. DAV emphasizes that they
are not endorsing any candidate, they keep these records on all public
officials, and a lot of veterans' legislation is passed by voice vote, so
they can only tabulate roll call votes on major legislation.

As to Cafferty, I wouldn't think of providing a rebuttal. He is right on
the money. His main criticisms sound like those of my mother, a life-long
Republican, who incidentally voted for Obama both in 2004 for the senate,
and in the primary this year for president. The party doesn't stand for
small government, it stands for bigger and bigger government. It has no
disciplined fiscal policy at all -- Clinton is the last president who
showed any fiscal discipline. And, as to integrity, I do know many
decent, patriotic Republicans who have a great deal of integrity, but
unfortunately none of them are being slated for office. Some, by no means
all, are voting for Obama. Incidentally, the Democratic Party is not
exactly to my liking either. It's national leadership is kind of
petrified in its sense of policy and principles. I don't especially like
Nancy Pelosi, or my state's governor, or its senior senator, or... but I
think Obama can pull them in a more sensible direction, because he has
been on record for several years with a much more sensible analysis. My
state's junior senator will be a big help.

Finally, will Obama do what a president can (can't do anything about
taxes unless Congress votes the way the president asks it to), to put the
tax burden back on corporations and close loopholes? He says he will do
that, every time he is asked. Either he is George W. Bush in disguise and
lying through his teeth, or he means it. I want something more than he is
offering, I want the first $20,000 tax exempt for individuals, $50,000
for families, and then have a 50% bracket starting somewhere around
$500,000 or $1,000,000. But Obama will take a step in the right
direction.

Is he as savvy as Clinton? That is a question I haven't heard asked in a
while. He does have Robert Rubin among his advisors, and Rubin oversaw
the budget and spending policies that got us to the point of actually
paying off some of the national debt. Yes, I think he is savvy enough to
get essential programs moving, while exercising fiscal discipline and
balancing the budget. He said he will go through the budget line by line
to examine, is this something we really need to spend money on? That's
all I would ask of a candidate. The budget is too big and complex to
promise in advance, which lines he will or won't propose to cut out or
continue. I want a president who will take a good hard look when its
budget time, not a candidate who makes wild promises. Every time I hear a
candidate say, vaguely, "I will cut wasteful spending," I want to ask
"Exactly which parts of the budget do you call wasteful? Maybe your waste
is my essential government function." I generally approve of what Obama
has said we do need to spend money on, and I appreciate he will be
looking line by line at what else is in the budget, and where the money
will come from to pay for what he wants to spend.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 20:08:04 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:08:04 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
Message-ID: <20080903.210701.-411543.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Hi Matthew,

Good to hear from you. I don't remember what your political persuasion,
if any, might be, and as mine is "None of the Above," I won't ask about
yours, especially after the fiasco of insulting Jeanene by insinuating
that she is a Republican.

Your last question is the easiest to answer. My opinion (it's ultimately
John's call, but he puts up with ALMOST anything we want to talk about)
is, no the discussion group does not need to be a political discussion
board, and I just posted an apolitical remark about a recent joke
posting. But, I find discussion here, including political discussion,
more interesting, amusing and stimulating than most political discussion
boards. (I also have fun at thinkchristian.net, where I offend some and
draw agreeing comments from others, which is about how it should be.) In
an election year, some of the humor will undoubtedly be political anyway.
Having kicked this line of discussion off, I will at this point continue
it only when someone else has a response or question to which I can
respond in some reasonable way. So if everyone is bored, it will die out
rather quickly.

But you asked, how do I even know what Obama stands for. The honest
answer to that question is, when I see his campaign's TV commercials, I
am generally disappointed, because they are the same kind of fluff I see
from every candidate. But, when I read his two published books, I
remember, oh, that is the man whose judgment I trust to be in the White
House. I don't set much stock in promises, or in "positions on the
issues." Whoever is elected will mostly be dealing with crises none of us
have even imagined yet. I don't want to hear what anyone promises, I want
to know the quality of his thoughts over the past ten years or more. I
don't hold a candidate accountable for every stupid thing they did as a
teenager (Barack Obama, John McCain, George Bush, Clarence Thomas, all
have that kind of little skeleton in their closet), but I do want a
picture of how they have matured over the years. I won't retype the
content of his book here. You may or may not want to read it for
yourself.

I don't believe he is a master of sounding like he will do what everyone
wants. I believe he is a master of finding genuine common ground, not
perfect agreement, but common ground, so we can at least debate each
other civilly and get some progress accomplished. For example, he writes
eloquently about a man who emailed him when he was running for senate,
and essentially said, I might well vote for you, even though we disagree
on abortion, except I object to your web site's language about "right
wing ideologues denying a woman's right to choose. Just because I see it
differently doesn't make me a woman-hating right-wing ideologue." Obama
observed that the language was boilerplate for Democratic campaigns, but
the criticism was well taken, and he had it replaced with more balanced
and respectful language.

The last time I saw him accused of flip-flopping (by a McCain aide), he
had announced he would support a well balanced energy bill which might
include some new oil drilling. What he was talking about was a bill that
was being hammered out across the aisle so that something could move,
rather than total gridlock from everyone demanding "My program and
nothing else." At this time, the man is still a United States senator,
and responsible to help get some business done in the senate. His first
responsibility is not to vote NO on anything that contains some
compromise that might be less than 100% pure to what he has advocated in
the past. I understood him to mean, OK, if we have to allow some new
drilling, to get any bill passed at all, and if the drilling has some
responsible limits and safeguards, and some serious promise of increasing
domestic oil supply in the short term, that is acceptable as a price for
getting some development of new energy sources going, sources that we
won't have to drain our hard-earned dollars to the middle east for. I
consider that a responsible position, not a flip-flop. Likewise, some
left wing ideologues criticized him for talking to T. Boone Pickens about
wind development, because Pickens funded the Swift Vote Beterans
campaign. Well, Pickens was wrong about that, but he has a good idea on
wind power, and has the capital to back it up. So its right to talk to
him.

That's a little bit of how I see it. I believe the candidates' worst
enemies are their campaign staffs. They always want to play it safe for
their guy, and nit pick the other guy.

Siarlys

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:05:52 -0500 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
Siarlys,

How do you even know what Obama actually stands for?   Are you just
taking his word for it, or looking at his voting record?   On anything
controversial, it seems that he simply votes 'present', rather than
actually take a position.

IMHO, Obama has one strong characteristic:   He is a master politician. 
That is to say that he is a master of sounding like he will do exactly
what everyone wants.  Wherever the political wind starts to blow, that is
what he supports.   Never mind that it is exactly 180 degrees from what
he was supporting just last week.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/15/mccain-camp-mocks-obama-for-refin
ing-iraq-position-on-web-site/


I know the list has been quiet, but does it *really* need to be a
political discussion board?

Just a thought,

Matthew
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 18:36, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

Siarlys... here's an interesting article on the Republicans:
<http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/cafferty.republicans/index.html?e
ref=rss_topstories#> Mind offering a defense and rebuttle to this?
~Lance
 
On 9/1/08, Lance Kirkman <romans832 at gmail.com> wrote: 
Is Obama as financially savvy as Clinton? Will the Democrats support such
a thing?
Will they raise the taxes on Corporations and remove tax credits so we
can return to Corporations paying the bulk of taxes instead of the lower
and middle class?
~Lance


On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

What makes you think I am a Republican?
My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We have
been
very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a lack
of
desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing
Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too
generous.  Always have been, always will be.
I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't know
how
to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, but
I
fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
Jeanene

Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle


----- Original Message -----
> (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting to see
> how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up with
> anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit card
all
> the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
> philosophy after all.)
>
> Siarlys




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From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:27:09 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
Message-ID: <20080903.210701.-411543.0.jsiarlys@juno.com>

My dear friend and sparring partner Jeanene,

Please forgive me for thinking that you are a Republican. I will never
insult you like that again. Not unless you yourself tell me that you are
one.

The national debt is not your fault. It is not any of our fault
individually. It is the product of a whole series of decisions, theories
and philosophies, ranging from Keynesian economics, employed by the
Roosevelt administration, to what Ross Perot called "voodoo economics,"
employed by the Reagan administration, and various shades in between by
one or another congress or administration. GWB has been the most immature
and thoughtless of all.

Unfortunately, if the United States of America is EVER going to pay off
our national debt, there has to be sufficient TAX revenue to do so. None
of us like to pay taxes. All of us can find something in the federal
budget we would rather NOT pay for. Unfortunately, we can never all agree
on which things we do or do not want to pay for. But taking a tax cut
when we have a huge national debt is very much like maxing out a credit
card when we just took a pay cut. Maybe we could do something like this:

1) Allow the 2001 tax reductions to expire.
2) Mandate that one half the revenue from a return to 2000 tax brackets
be allocated to paying down the national debt. (Why not 100%? Because we
do have a lot of infrastructure falling apart, like that bridge that
crashed into the river in Minnesota, and we can't defer that, or a new
electric power system, forever.)
3) Exempt the first $20,000 of income from tax, period, and $50,000 for
families with children under 18 or in college.
4) Everyone below the level affected by the expiring tax reductions,
those who didn't get the benefit and won't pay more now, accept a  1%
surtax allocated solely to paying off the national debt, and when it is
paid off, we all get a 2% tax reduction, permanent, since we won't have
all that INTEREST to pay to the Bank of China anymore.

There are lots of sensible ways to do it. But something like this would
make sense.

Siarlys

P.S. I also hate personal debt, a trait I inherited from my mother, and I
also give money away when I have it, not all of it, I save too, but hey,
I don't have any dependents and I make twice the minimum wage. There are
single mothers supporting three children on half what I make. My little
brother's mother is one of them.

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:52:52 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
> What makes you think I am a Republican?
> My husband and I have no debt other than our single mortgage.  We 
> have been 
> very blessed with a good family business (my husband's family) and a 
> lack of 
> desire to amass.  I have been referred to as the Queen of Over-Doing 
> 
> Everything, and it is true with money too:  I am guilty of being too 
> 
> generous.  Always have been, always will be.
> I HATE taxes, I hate personal debt AND national debt.  But I don't 
> know how 
> to make a difference there.  I don't think I am part of the problem, 
> but I 
> fear being ignorant makes me somehow guilty.
> Jeanene
> 
> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > (OK, I don't expect this to change your mind. I'm really waiting 
> to see
> > how it grabs Lance. And whether Jeanene will be able to come up 
> with
> > anything in reply, except for "Oh, so what, I max out my credit 
> card all
> > the time, and somehow life goes on." That's the modern Republican
> > philosophy after all.)
> >
> > Siarlys 
> 
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep  2 19:40:26 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:40:26 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] A Week at the Gym
Message-ID: <20080903.210701.-411543.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>

We interrupt this political debate to comment on a joke!!!

I forwarded this to only one person, a dear friend who I think I actually
might marry in the somewhat near future. At age 50 or so, we can drift
together, its not the breathtaking event it would have been at 22.
Actually she caught her breath a couple of years ago when I asked if she
would wear a modest ring while she was praying on it.

Anyway, before her job situation took a financial downturn, she was
signing up for a gym and a personal trainer and all that kind of stuff.
Personally, I don't believe in "doing exercise." I ride a bicycle
anywhere I can get to on one. I didn't even have a car until a year ago,
and I try not to use it if I don't have to even now. I have a job that
involved continuous physical work. If I ever have a lawn to mow again,
I'm going to find me one of those motorless mowers that you have to push,
the only kind I have ever used in my life. It's like the guy who installs
steel girders for skyscrapers asked in the satirical article "White Men
Can't Drum" ... if these guys think they need more exercise, why don't
they get a job where they have to do physical work?

So, this is a funny one to send to my friend who sometimes believes in
working out. Me, I'd rather she spend an evening riding bikes together.
That's why I found her a bicycle on Craig's List.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Thu Sep  4 12:22:41 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:41 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] A Week at the Gym
In-Reply-To: <20080903.210701.-411543.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080903.210701.-411543.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809041022n59ebd975k4a9be99ead4f3337@mail.gmail.com>

WOO!!! Go Siarlys! Mackin on the ladies.... Grats man. Best wishes on your
endeavor there man.
~Lance

On 9/2/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
wrote:
>
> We interrupt this political debate to comment on a joke!!!
>
> I forwarded this to only one person, a dear friend who I think I actually
> might marry in the somewhat near future. At age 50 or so, we can drift
> together, its not the breathtaking event it would have been at 22.
> Actually she caught her breath a couple of years ago when I asked if she
> would wear a modest ring while she was praying on it.
>
> Anyway, before her job situation took a financial downturn, she was
> signing up for a gym and a personal trainer and all that kind of stuff.
> Personally, I don't believe in "doing exercise." I ride a bicycle
> anywhere I can get to on one. I didn't even have a car until a year ago,
> and I try not to use it if I don't have to even now. I have a job that
> involved continuous physical work. If I ever have a lawn to mow again,
> I'm going to find me one of those motorless mowers that you have to push,
> the only kind I have ever used in my life. It's like the guy who installs
> steel girders for skyscrapers asked in the satirical article "White Men
> Can't Drum" ... if these guys think they need more exercise, why don't
> they get a job where they have to do physical work?
>
> So, this is a funny one to send to my friend who sometimes believes in
> working out. Me, I'd rather she spend an evening riding bikes together.
> That's why I found her a bicycle on Craig's List.
>
> Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 11:15:08 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:15:08 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
References: <20080903.210701.-411543.0.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C27DB2E69DA040ABB71E992E60D4FB2B@Jeanene>

I *am* a Republican.  I just wanted to know why you thought so.  :-)  Aren't 
all Arizonans Republican?  That's what I overheard last night at dinner out.

I worked this year for my County Elections Board and had a blast!  Other 
than voting (and a small part at playing a Barry Goldwater supporter in high 
school by wearing a little tiny black eyeglasses pin), I have not been 
involved in elections, but this year I decided to do it in grand fashion.  I 
volunteered to be the Inspector and was placed in a precinct very near my 
home.  I was busy a couple of hours on Monday night and then bright and 
early Tuesday morning (5AM!) I arrived and my team and I got hustling and 
had everything ready for voters to arrive at 6am.  There was a total of 8 of 
us:  Inspector Republican me), Marshal (has to be opposite my party), Judge 
of the Opposite Party (also had to be a democrat), Judge of the Same Party 
(self-explanatory), two Special Situation Clerks, one ID Clerk, and a 
floating clerk.  The two Judges, a mother and daughter team (!) were 
studiously keeping track of the number of voters we had per hour and then at 
the end put all of our salaries and the cost of the facility charge (I knew 
all of that as Inspector) together and divided it by the number of voters 
who voted in our precinct and figured that it cost our precinct almost $32 
per vote!  OUCH!  They weren't required to keep track of those statistics, 
they just wanted to do something to pass the time because we were so bored 
waiting for voters.  I was appalled at what it costs to have voting take 
place.  I know from personal experience that the General Election will bring 
people out in droves and thus the cost per vote will decrease dramatically, 
but it was nice to get a little experience under less insane circumstances. 
The day was spent leisurely commanding my portion of the election army. 
Until, of course, the poll closed.  Then things got crazy again!  We spent 
the next hour closing the Accu-Vote machine and the Touch Screen Accu-Vote 
machines, counting Early Ballots turned in on election day instead of 
mailed, and had a grand old time trying to figure out what items went into 
which bags.  It was CRAZY!  But with a fearless leader like myself, we 
actually got it all done correctly!  Except that when I got out of the car 
at the Official Receiving Center, I realized I still had the official keys 
on my arm!  I had forgotten all about them.  Oops.  They accepted them from 
me and didn't make a fuss.  There were so many others there that had mucked 
up their jobs horribly, that I was smelling sweet in comparison.  I was back 
to the precinct by 9:30 pm.  A 16.5 hour workday.  And we weren't allowed to 
leave the polling place for any reason.  I look forward to being Inspector 
for the General Election in November.  A surprise for me was the fact that 
when anything was done that had anything to do with the actual votes 
(assisting a voter in the secrecy booth, printing and removing result tapes 
from the different machines, locking and sealing the actual ballots, and 
transporting the official and un-official items to the receiving station), a 
Republican and a Democrat had to be present for it and agree.  Before now, I 
had never spent the time to think about how ballot boxes could be stuffed, 
but I saw a way to do it this week.  ALL eight of the poll workers would 
have to be in it together and sworn to secrecy.  There's no way that would 
happen here since there were opposite parties involved.  And why (other than 
superior intelligence) would that Democrat agree to vote for a Republican?
I learned a lot about the official process of voting.  And they are paying 
me for it!  I thought it was a volunteer position.  I guess I could turn my 
payment back into reducing the national debt.
Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle


----- Original Message ----- 

> My dear friend and sparring partner Jeanene,
>
> Please forgive me for thinking that you are a Republican. I will never
> insult you like that again. Not unless you yourself tell me that you are
> one. 


From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 11:56:10 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:56:10 -0400
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <009e01c63cf7$34774c20$6401a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB8F5@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>



 does this sound familiar?


greenBubble 
----------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak

Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who 
wrote it?),
I love President Bush.
What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
Jeanene

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak


> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
as
> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
either,
> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
says
> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
> anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
> topics.
>
> GuessWho? 

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 12:02:24 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:02:24 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB8F5@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>
References: <009e01c63cf7$34774c20$6401a8c0@home>
	<731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB8F5@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <37915b720809051002x2ebad2d7g6df1b7a8dddd32b5@mail.gmail.com>

Looks familiar, but I gotta tell you, haven't heard a thing ;)
~Lance

On 9/5/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
wrote:
>
>
> does this sound familiar?
>
>
> greenBubble
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
> Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who
> wrote it?),
> I love President Bush.
> What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
> Jeanene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
> Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
>
> > Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
> as
> > pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
> either,
> > or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
> > discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
> says
> > anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
> > anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
> > topics.
> >
> > GuessWho?
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 12:23:03 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:23:03 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
In-Reply-To: <e2abda540809021705t41bb10c7qa5a3188fbe005947@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
	<37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>
	<37915b720809021636i79946a89s24934a3796b1d149@mail.gmail.com>
	<e2abda540809021705t41bb10c7qa5a3188fbe005947@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ff59ba0809051023m69527b6l85e89b1a18d19a6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not too crazy about all the political discussion on the board, but I'm
not going to go so far as to ban it, as long as it remains civil and clean.

If you want to change the discussion, it is best to bring up other topics
for discussion (Siarlys is a good example of that).

Thanks,
John Price


On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Matthew wrote:

>
> I know the list has been quiet, but does it *really* need to be a political
> discussion board?
>
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 13:01:12 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:01:12 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
In-Reply-To: <1ff59ba0809051023m69527b6l85e89b1a18d19a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080831.211502.-487727.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<4886511AC4C24ED9BA7E229A5DA4C89B@Jeanene>
	<37915b720809012359k14044e4cl6c14acd2c382946d@mail.gmail.com>
	<37915b720809021636i79946a89s24934a3796b1d149@mail.gmail.com>
	<e2abda540809021705t41bb10c7qa5a3188fbe005947@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ff59ba0809051023m69527b6l85e89b1a18d19a6@mail.gmail.com>
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If I may say, I've enjoyed the discussion. I find in my busy IT career I
don't have time to find out info about the different candidates. And if
there are peeps on here willing to share both sides and help give a big
picture answer. It's making asking questions easier and getting a bigger
picture easier... Now just to get Siarlys to actually argue both sides so I
get an even picture. hehe
~Lance

On 9/5/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
wrote:
>
> I'm not too crazy about all the political discussion on the board, but I'm
> not going to go so far as to ban it, as long as it remains civil and clean.
>
> If you want to change the discussion, it is best to bring up other topics
> for discussion (Siarlys is a good example of that).
>
> Thanks,
> John Price
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Matthew wrote:
>
>>
>> I know the list has been quiet, but does it *really* need to be a
>> political discussion board?
>>
>>
>>
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 22:10:47 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:10:47 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Trojan Horse
Message-ID: <20080905.221128.-440583.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>

greenBubble will find this familiar and amusing, whether or not he finds
it ethical.

I was recently informed that a small crop of challengers in Democratic
primaries are actually Republicans, who decided this is the only way to
get elected. The leader of the pact is a former state senator who lost a
few elections ago. None of them are saying what they really stand for,
just saying they will do the right thing, and calling themselves "the
Democrat," when they are running in a primary against an incumbent.

In Milwaukee, like in New York, Republicans generally don't win general
elections. One of the notable tings when we elected an African American
woman is that she got the usual 70% that Democrats get in the district.
Not a hint of "white backlash" like Harold Washington got in Chicago. In
fact, she won a three way primary with 64% in a district where the
so-called "black vote" is about 28%. Every African American could have
stayed home and she would have had a narrow victory.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Thu Sep  4 20:34:55 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:34:55 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] [GCFL.net] Proper Job Placement
Message-ID: <20080905.221128.-440583.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Speaking of that last option, put them in Congress, I read somewhere that
while most Americans have a very low opinion of Congress, most voters
want all the other districts to throw THEIR bum out, while in each
district, voting to re-elect their own. Thus, the same people keep
getting re-elected, no matter how low our general esteem for the
institution.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 22:28:02 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:28:02 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Voting
Message-ID: <20080906.194741.-438681.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>

If I ever get an election day when I am not scheduled to work, which is
more likely if I ever get back to working freelance, I would be happy to
do that kind of poll work. Right now I never seem to be available.

In Wisconsin, Accu-View machines are not acceptable. We fill out paper
ballots and feed them into a machine that does automatic counting. IF
there is a question, the paper ballots can be hand counted, and this was
done a couple of years ago when the vote totals didn't match the number
of voters recorded. Also, when you feed the paper into the machine, you
know what your choices were. You can get up to two more ballots if you
mess up the first one, but the messed up ones must be destroyed of
course.

Siarlys

P.S. Since Arizona has a Democrat for governor, it seems there must be a
significant number of her party in the state, plus a few Republicans who
like her for some reason. Did I mention the woman I met with the Obamacan
t-shirt? I am not a Democrat, for the record, because its liberals and
social workers who inflicted the mentality on too many Americans that
inspired them to vote for the likes of Gingrich and Bush. You could call
me a Constitutional New Deal Libertarian, but labels don't stick to me
very well. I believe that government needs to stay out of individual
decisions, and needs to tightly regulate corporations, with extensive
legal rights for employees of employers.
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 19:47:29 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:47:29 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
Message-ID: <20080906.194741.-438681.6.jsiarlys@juno.com>

For someone who doesn't really like a lot of political discussion, John
takes it awfully well. I mean, he really thought my idea of getting him
to vote for Barack Obama was hilarious. What good clean fun! (I haven't
given up yet John, there's two months still to go.)

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 22:37:18 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:37:18 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Prodigous!
Message-ID: <20080906.194741.-438681.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>

I'll take it as a compliment that you'd understand the other side better
if only I could present it. (I did write an article on the Republican
Party for the Encyclopedia of the Great Depression and New Deal, which my
mother says was well balanced). I'm finding it harder to criticize Obama
than Kerry. By the time the election rolled around in 2004, I was
alternately wishing I was Kerry's speech-writer, because I could see
obvious answers to questions he flubbed royally (questions about himself
for Lord's sake), and remembering what the alternative was. Generally
when Obama speaks for himself for more than 60 seconds, he does fine in
my book. I think he listens to his advisors too much, but every candidate
does. At least he does less of it than most.

Siarlys

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:01:12 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
If I may say, I've enjoyed the discussion. I find in my busy IT career I
don't have time to find out info about the different candidates. And if
there are peeps on here willing to share both sides and help give a big
picture answer. It's making asking questions easier and getting a bigger
picture easier... Now just to get Siarlys to actually argue both sides so
I get an even picture. hehe
~Lance
 
On 9/5/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: 
I'm not too crazy about all the political discussion on the board, but
I'm not going to go so far as to ban it, as long as it remains civil and
clean.

If you want to change the discussion, it is best to bring up other topics
for discussion (Siarlys is a good example of that).

Thanks,
John Price


On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Matthew wrote:


I know the list has been quiet, but does it *really* need to be a
political discussion board?






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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep  5 22:29:32 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 22:29:32 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
Message-ID: <20080906.194741.-438681.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>

If John's hard drive crashes, he can get copies from greenBubble.

Siarlys

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:02:24 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
Looks familiar, but I gotta tell you, haven't heard a thing ;)
~Lance
 
On 9/5/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote: 

does this sound familiar?


greenBubble
----------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak

Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who
wrote it?),
I love President Bush.
What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
Jeanene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak


> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
as
> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
either,
> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
says
> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
> anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
> topics.
>
> GuessWho?
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 19:59:50 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:59:50 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <20080906.194741.-438681.6.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080906.194741.-438681.6.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1ff59ba0809061759u500cf957i33bec3e10936bd3@mail.gmail.com>

I don't mind too much myself, but my original purpose for this list was GCFL
related discussion.  However, I'm OK with how it has morphed so far.

By default I try not to get too serious about anything.  However, I am WAY
too conservative to vote for [G]oBama.  Perhaps the [Roll] Tide will change
in the future, but for now the GOP gets my vote.

I'm not completely pleased with all the GOP has done.  The excessive
spending is an issue for me, as well as the wire tapping.  I feel less
government is usually better than more.

Roll Tide!

jp

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> For someone who doesn't really like a lot of political discussion, John
> takes it awfully well. I mean, he really thought my idea of getting him
> to vote for Barack Obama was hilarious. What good clean fun! (I haven't
> given up yet John, there's two months still to go.)
>
> Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 20:02:19 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:02:19 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <20080906.194741.-438681.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080906.194741.-438681.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1ff59ba0809061802k7eaf99f3v561f46540b484660@mail.gmail.com>

My server uses RAID to mirror all data onto two drives and all data is also
remotely backed up to my home server every night (which are also RAID
mirrored).  I sure hope I don't loose any data! - jp

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  If John's hard drive crashes, he can get copies from greenBubble.
>
> Siarlys
>
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:02:24 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
> List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
>
> Looks familiar, but I gotta tell you, haven't heard a thing ;)
> ~Lance
>
> On 9/5/08, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
> gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> does this sound familiar?
>>
>>
>> greenBubble
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>>
>> Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who
>> wrote it?),
>> I love President Bush.
>> What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
>> Jeanene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
>> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
>> To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
>> Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>>
>>
>> > Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
>> as
>> > pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
>> either,
>> > or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
>> > discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
>> says
>> > anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
>> > anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
>> > topics.
>> >
>> > GuessWho?
>
>
>
>
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 21:39:54 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:39:54 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
References: <20080906.194741.-438681.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>
	<1ff59ba0809061802k7eaf99f3v561f46540b484660@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7659CFC281954AA483C9DABA367D53F6@Jeanene>

Jeanene states "I did NOT write this but who attributed it to me?!?:

  Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who wrote it?),
  I love President Bush.
  What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
  Jeanene


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
  <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
  To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
  Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak

  Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me as pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
  either, or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody says anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find anything good to say about the president, but there are many other topics.
  GuessWho?
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 21:47:44 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:47:44 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
References: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB8F5@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <1C96F4DC33A6467D83FDC43CE8BEC787@Jeanene>

Hey!  I stated that SO long ago I had forgotten it!  Isn't there a statute 
of limitations on e-mail?
I can't believe I wrote it AND that you remembered that I wrote it, AND that 
you kept it.  Or did you find it in the archives?  What was the header?  You 
conveniently left that out.
Jeanene

Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
>
> does this sound familiar?
>
>
> greenBubble
> ----------------------------------------------------

> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
> Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know who
> wrote it?),
> I love President Bush.
> What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
> Jeanene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> To: "Red" <jeanenehea at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
> Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
>
>> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
> as
>> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
> either,
>> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
>> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
> says
>> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
>> anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
>> topics.
>>
>> GuessWho?
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 21:56:03 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:56:03 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Voting
References: <20080906.194741.-438681.2.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1F310A7FDBE642F0ACB146B50CBAE11B@Jeanene>

This is the same in AZ, except that we also have the touch screen available. 
Supposedly it was bought for persons with disabilities, but no one uses it. 
It's a hassle in every way.  Not one of our 53 voters used it.  All of the 
votes in our precinct were counted just as you described.
Jeanene

Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle

----- Original Message -----
> In Wisconsin, Accu-View machines are not acceptable. We fill out paper
> ballots and feed them into a machine that does automatic counting. IF
> there is a question, the paper ballots can be hand counted, and this was
> done a couple of years ago when the vote totals didn't match the number
> of voters recorded. Also, when you feed the paper into the machine, you
> know what your choices were. You can get up to two more ballots if you
> mess up the first one, but the messed up ones must be destroyed of
> course. 


From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep  6 22:02:20 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:02:20 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Discussion of a funny
Message-ID: <9B186B320FFE4D85A506A11B65096D7C@Jeanene>

I got a comic this week from ReverendFun.com and it has a typo!  How embarrassing is that?  It makes no sense as it is written.  It should say LARGE print instead of FINE print.  Doh!
Jeanene

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  I don't mind too much myself, but my original purpose for this list was GCFL related discussion.  However, I'm OK with how it has morphed so far.
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sun Sep  7 15:31:21 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:31:21 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Discussion of a funny
In-Reply-To: <9B186B320FFE4D85A506A11B65096D7C@Jeanene>
References: <9B186B320FFE4D85A506A11B65096D7C@Jeanene>
Message-ID: <37915b720809071331h4bf7da54x60808bce361d6dc1@mail.gmail.com>

Are you sure it's a typo? Maybe they're making fun... oh, I get it now...
That's funny... I was thinking there was a double innuendo.
~Lance

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  I got a comic this week from ReverendFun.com and it has a typo!  How
> embarrassing is that?  It makes no sense as it is written.  It should say
> LARGE print instead of FINE print.  Doh!
> Jeanene
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Mon Sep  8 09:34:02 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:34:02 -0400
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <1C96F4DC33A6467D83FDC43CE8BEC787@Jeanene>
Message-ID: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB8F8@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>


Jeanene
You wrote this on or about 3/1/06 in response to a request by Siarlys to
introduce ourselves.  
The subject was "Speak".
And there is no  statute on emails.

There is a saying, "Until you utter a word, you are its master.  Once it
leaves your mouth, it owns you."

Seriously, it is important to be careful what you say on the internet or
emails, because it never goes away, and can come back to haunt you at
the most embarrassing moment.

Many a career has been nipped by a careless email or posting.


greenBubble 


Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak

Hey!  I stated that SO long ago I had forgotten it!  Isn't there a
statute 
of limitations on e-mail?
I can't believe I wrote it AND that you remembered that I wrote it, AND
that 
you kept it.  Or did you find it in the archives?  What was the header?
You 
conveniently left that out.
Jeanene

Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
"Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
>
> does this sound familiar?
>
>
> greenBubble
> ----------------------------------------------------

> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
> Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone know
who
> wrote it?),
> I love President Bush.
> What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
> Jeanene
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
> Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
>
>
>> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes me
> as
>> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
> either,
>> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating the
>> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if nobody
> says
>> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to find
>> anything good to say about the president, but there are many other
>> topics.
>>
>> GuessWho?
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Mon Sep  8 20:48:15 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:48:15 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Notes and Infirmities
Message-ID: <20080908.204826.-150739.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>

I am slow in typing right now, since I just had minor surgery in the
finger that normally handles a-s-z-x-q-w. All seems to be going well. I
haven't bothered to get the prescription for pain meds filled, and I get
the bandage off Wed.

Meantime, here are a couple of interesting links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07Inequality-t.html?pagewanted
=1&em

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/opinion/07rich.html?em

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sun Sep  7 20:44:59 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:44:59 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
Message-ID: <20080908.204826.-150739.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Maybe we need to form a third party. (Remember the conservative Dutch
party called "List Pym Fortyn"? The guy who founded it had a big ego and
named it after himself. Threw GWB for a loop that this ultra-conservative
gay man was prime minister of Holland, then he was assassinated. But that
was background to the obvious name for our new alternative, since none of
us have such big egos.) : Good Clean Funnies List! VOTE GCFL! Pay off the
debt, end wire tapping, income tax applies only over $100,000, make up
the difference with a national sales tax that excludes food, clothing,
medicine, and rummage sales. "We worship an awesome God in the blue
states, and we don't like federal agents digging into our library records
in the red states." Oops, there I went quoting Obama again. That's really
the line that made him a viable candidate in the first place.

Siarlys

On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:59:50 -0500 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
I don't mind too much myself, but my original purpose for this list was
GCFL related discussion.  However, I'm OK with how it has morphed so far.

By default I try not to get too serious about anything.  However, I am
WAY too conservative to vote for [G]oBama.  Perhaps the [Roll] Tide will
change in the future, but for now the GOP gets my vote.

I'm not completely pleased with all the GOP has done.  The excessive
spending is an issue for me, as well as the wire tapping.  I feel less
government is usually better than more.

Roll Tide!

jp


On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

For someone who doesn't really like a lot of political discussion, John
takes it awfully well. I mean, he really thought my idea of getting him
to vote for Barack Obama was hilarious. What good clean fun! (I haven't
given up yet John, there's two months still to go.)

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Mon Sep  8 20:53:17 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:53:17 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
Message-ID: <20080909.192912.-511049.0.jsiarlys@juno.com>

All true, but greenBubble, why would you expect any one to state a matter
of pqrinciple differently two years later. Nobody can accuse either me or
Jeanene of flip-flopping.

Siarlys

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:34:02 -0400 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
> 
> Jeanene
> You wrote this on or about 3/1/06 in response to a request by 
> Siarlys to
> introduce ourselves.  
> The subject was "Speak".
> And there is no  statute on emails.
> 
> There is a saying, "Until you utter a word, you are its master.  
> Once it
> leaves your mouth, it owns you."
> 
> Seriously, it is important to be careful what you say on the 
> internet or
> emails, because it never goes away, and can come back to haunt you 
> at
> the most embarrassing moment.
> 
> Many a career has been nipped by a careless email or posting.
> 
> 
> greenBubble 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> 
> Hey!  I stated that SO long ago I had forgotten it!  Isn't there a
> statute 
> of limitations on e-mail?
> I can't believe I wrote it AND that you remembered that I wrote it, 
> AND
> that 
> you kept it.  Or did you find it in the archives?  What was the 
> header?
> You 
> conveniently left that out.
> Jeanene
> 
> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> >
> > does this sound familiar?
> >
> >
> > greenBubble
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> > Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> > Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone 
> know
> who
> > wrote it?),
> > I love President Bush.
> > What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
> > Jeanene
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> > <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
> > Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> >
> >> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes 
> me
> > as
> >> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
> > either,
> >> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating 
> the
> >> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if 
> nobody
> > says
> >> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to 
> find
> >> anything good to say about the president, but there are many 
> other
> >> topics.
> >>
> >> GuessWho?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Wed Sep 10 09:12:30 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:12:30 -0400
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
In-Reply-To: <20080909.192912.-511049.0.jsiarlys@juno.com>
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I wasn't accusing anyone of anything.  I was simply answering Jeanene's
questions. 
She asked if there was a statute of limitations on emails and I answered
that there isn't.


greenBubble 



Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak

All true, but greenBubble, why would you expect any one to state a
matter
of pqrinciple differently two years later. Nobody can accuse either me
or
Jeanene of flip-flopping.

Siarlys

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:34:02 -0400 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
> 
> Jeanene
> You wrote this on or about 3/1/06 in response to a request by 
> Siarlys to
> introduce ourselves.  
> The subject was "Speak".
> And there is no  statute on emails.
> 
> There is a saying, "Until you utter a word, you are its master.  
> Once it
> leaves your mouth, it owns you."
> 
> Seriously, it is important to be careful what you say on the 
> internet or
> emails, because it never goes away, and can come back to haunt you 
> at
> the most embarrassing moment.
> 
> Many a career has been nipped by a careless email or posting.
> 
> 
> greenBubble 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> 
> Hey!  I stated that SO long ago I had forgotten it!  Isn't there a
> statute 
> of limitations on e-mail?
> I can't believe I wrote it AND that you remembered that I wrote it, 
> AND
> that 
> you kept it.  Or did you find it in the archives?  What was the 
> header?
> You 
> conveniently left that out.
> Jeanene
> 
> Every once in a while, it's a good idea to call out
> "Computer, end program," just to check. - D. Noelle
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> >
> > does this sound familiar?
> >
> >
> > greenBubble
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> > Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> > Siarlys (who else could write an anonymous e-mail and everyone 
> know
> who
> > wrote it?),
> > I love President Bush.
> > What makes you think I am a most loyal Republican?
> > Jeanene
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
> > <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 7:09 PM
> > Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Speak
> >
> >
> >> Frank, say something, please. Anything. I don't care if it strikes 
> me
> > as
> >> pearls of wisdom or utter abomination. I know how to respond to
> > either,
> >> or both. If I say one more thing, you would say I was dominating 
> the
> >> discussion. But what is the point of a discussion group, if 
> nobody
> > says
> >> anything? OK, it is difficult for the most loyal Republican to 
> find
> >> anything good to say about the president, but there are many 
> other
> >> topics.
> >>
> >> GuessWho?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Wed Sep 10 21:16:31 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:16:31 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
Message-ID: <20080911.204942.-508429.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>


----- Forwarded Message -----

 
 
All of the Wal-Marts across Alabama sold out of ammunition as of
yesterday. 

A reliable source said that one of the purchasers commented that while
Russia may have invaded Georgia, they sure as heck ain't doin' it to
Alabama.
  

That?s FUNNY







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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 11:16:19 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:16:19 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
In-Reply-To: <20080911.204942.-508429.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080911.204942.-508429.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809120916n3f8d031fo54d5bc5473a62b97@mail.gmail.com>

I thought so... Gordon Smith clearly liked this joke, I just saw an add this
morning. Looks like someone walked up on his opponent (who was at some kind
of picnic stuffing his face) and asked him his thoughts on Georgia, the guy
replied, "What's happening in Georgia?"
It honestly looks like someone blindsided him and is taking full advantage
of that fact, but I thought it funny we'd make fun of the South and here in
OR a Senator was caught doing the same thing.
~Lance
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>
>     *All of the Wal-Marts across Alabama sold out of ammunition as of
> yesterday. **
>
> A reliable source said that one of the purchasers commented that while
> Russia may have invaded **Georgia**, they sure as heck ain't doin' it to *
> *Alabama**.*
>
>
>
>
> That's FUNNY????????..
>
>
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 11:25:05 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:25:05 -0400
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
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Message-ID: <731D5439887C914F8A59C280ACCDD76402CFB93B@USMLVV1EXCTV04.ww005.siemens.net>


What's going on here?
a.  who sent the first email, confusing Georgia with Georgia, and wrote
"that's funny"?
b.  Lance, what do you mean "I thought so"?  and who is Gordon Smith?

 

greenBubble 


 

________________________________

Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................


I thought so... Gordon Smith clearly liked this joke, I just saw an add
this morning. Looks like someone walked up on his opponent (who was at
some kind of picnic stuffing his face) and asked him his thoughts on
Georgia, the guy replied, "What's happening in Georgia?"
It honestly looks like someone blindsided him and is taking full
advantage of that fact, but I thought it funny we'd make fun of the
South and here in OR a Senator was caught doing the same thing.
~Lance

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:16 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:


	 
	----- Forwarded Message -----
	
All of the Wal-Marts across Alabama sold out of ammunition as of
yesterday. 
		
A reliable source said that one of the purchasers commented that while
Russia may have invaded Georgia, they sure as heck ain't doin' it to
Alabama.

		  
That's FUNNY..........................

			

			

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 11:31:33 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:31:33 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
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"I Thought So" I was agreeing to thinking it was funny.

Gordon Smith is one of Oregon's Senators who's been in for MANY years.
Running for re-election and he's got Jeff Merkley running against him and I
found it funny that they were able to catch Merkley off guard and asked him
about Georgia and the guy was so not "in character" that he immediately
thought the states, not the country... Gordon Smith is using that as an
attack that Merkley has no foreign knowledge

~Lance
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>
> What's going on here?
> a.  who sent the first email, confusing Georgia with Georgia, and wrote
> "that's funny"?
> b.  Lance, what do you mean "I thought so"?  and who is Gordon Smith?
>
> greenBubble
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 11:51:17 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:51:17 -0400
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
In-Reply-To: <37915b720809120931p56b14666k71cd2b6dd7786c70@mail.gmail.com>
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so the original email was an ad from merkley's campaign?
do you know who sent it?
 

greenBubble 

 

 
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................



"I Thought So" I was agreeing to thinking it was funny.
 
Gordon Smith is one of Oregon's Senators who's been in for MANY years.
Running for re-election and he's got Jeff Merkley running against him
and I found it funny that they were able to catch Merkley off guard and
asked him about Georgia and the guy was so not "in character" that he
immediately thought the states, not the country... Gordon Smith is using
that as an attack that Merkley has no foreign knowledge
 
~Lance

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:



	What's going on here?
	a.  who sent the first email, confusing Georgia with Georgia,
and wrote
	"that's funny"?
	b.  Lance, what do you mean "I thought so"?  and who is Gordon
Smith?
	
	greenBubble



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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 12:59:29 2008
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:59:29 -0700
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No, original was from a joke sent out... I don't know if it originally came
from GCFL or where I saw it, but I've seen this joke passed around and was
commenting on it since someone posted it. ~Lance

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  so the original email was an ad from merkley's campaign?
> do you know who sent it?
>
>
> greenBubble
>
>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
>
>    "I Thought So" I was agreeing to thinking it was funny.
>
> Gordon Smith is one of Oregon's Senators who's been in for MANY years.
> Running for re-election and he's got Jeff Merkley running against him and I
> found it funny that they were able to catch Merkley off guard and asked him
> about Georgia and the guy was so not "in character" that he immediately
> thought the states, not the country... Gordon Smith is using that as an
> attack that Merkley has no foreign knowledge
>
> ~Lance
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
> <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> What's going on here?
>> a.  who sent the first email, confusing Georgia with Georgia, and wrote
>> "that's funny"?
>> b.  Lance, what do you mean "I thought so"?  and who is Gordon Smith?
>>
>> greenBubble
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:50:05 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
Message-ID: <20080912.190615.-401559.0.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Oops, I see that I forgot to sign that one. It sort of speaks for itself
though.

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 19:48:47 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:47 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] [GCFL.net] Biblical Headlines
Message-ID: <20080913.193458.-414135.1.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Well folks, the problem I have with the liberal media is that they roll
over and play dead for this kind of garbage. Like when I made a
disparaging remark about Ronald Reagan after he died, and a friend of
mine deeply devoted to the man said "Gosh, even the liberal media are
saying nice things about him." Yeah, I responded, that's why I'm not a
liberal. The media aren't liberal. They're just consumed by fads, like
most of American culture. There are many ways to put Bible stories in
modern contexts. When I'm in West Virginia I attend River of Life Church
of God, so I can do this as well as anyone.

Siarlys

So, here is my rewrite:                and other observations

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:00:03 -0500 (CDT) "The Good, Clean Funnies List"
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> Biblical Headlines
> 
> If Biblical Headlines were written by today's liberal
> media...
> 
> On Red Sea crossing:
> WETLANDS TRAMPLED IN LABOR STRIKE        Since when do "the liberal
media" come out
> Pursuing Environmentalists Killed                  against a labor
strike while defending
                                                                         
wetlands anyway?
CULT LEADER DROWNS PURSUING SEX SLAVES
Escaping dissidents find refuge in wetlands


> 
> On David vs. Goliath:
> HATE CRIME KILLS BELOVED CHAMPION
> Psychologist Questions Influence of Rock

IMPERIALIST WAR MONGER DESTROYED
Low Tech Guerilla Weapons Triumph

> 
> On Elijah on Mt. Carmel:
> FIRE SENDS RELIGIOUS RIGHT EXTREMIST INTO FRENZY
> 400 Killed

400 MEGA CHURCH ASSISTANT PASTORS EXPOSED AS FAKERS
"Yes We Can" Triumphant Prophet Exhorts Crowd

> 
> On the birth of Christ:                                                
       I'll leave this one as is.
> HOTELS FULL, ANIMALS LEFT HOMELESS                          Stick it to
PETA -- where's the
> Animal Rights Activists Enraged by Insensitive Couple       liberal?

> On feeding the 5,000:
> PREACHER STEALS CHILD'S LUNCH
> Disciples Mystified Over Behavior

ITINERANT PREACHER ARRESTED BY HEALTH INSPECTORS        I've had personal
experience
Probe food distribution to hungry without permit                      
that came darn close.

> On healing the 10 lepers:
> LOCAL DOCTOR'S PRACTICE RUINED
> "Faith Healer" Causes Bankruptcy

BAREFOOT DOCTOR HEALS CHRONIC INFECTION
HMO seeks cease and desist order

> 
> On healing of the Gadarene demoniac:        I'll leave this one alone
too. Liberal? It sounds
> MADMAN'S FRIEND CAUSES STAMPEDE        like something from the Chamber
of Commerc
> Local Farmer's Investment Lost                   Commerce.


> 
> On raising Lazarus from the dead:
> FUNDAMENTALIST PREACHER RAISES A STINK
> Will Reading to be Delayed

PATIENT PRONOUNCED DEAD FOUND TO BE STILL LIVING
Family explores suit against physician who signed death warrant.

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 12 20:07:15 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:07:15 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................
Message-ID: <20080913.193458.-414135.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>

By the time THIS gets posted, you will all have seen a belated note from
me that I sent it in in the first place. I guess John posted it without
signature because it struck a chord.

Siarlys

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:59:29 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
No, original was from a joke sent out... I don't know if it originally
came from GCFL or where I saw it, but I've seen this joke passed around
and was commenting on it since someone posted it. ~Lance


On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

so the original email was an ad from merkley's campaign?
do you know who sent it?

greenBubble 

 
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: FW: YA BUDDY........................


"I Thought So" I was agreeing to thinking it was funny.

Gordon Smith is one of Oregon's Senators who's been in for MANY years.
Running for re-election and he's got Jeff Merkley running against him and
I found it funny that they were able to catch Merkley off guard and asked
him about Georgia and the guy was so not "in character" that he
immediately thought the states, not the country... Gordon Smith is using
that as an attack that Merkley has no foreign knowledge

~Lance

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:


What's going on here?
a.  who sent the first email, confusing Georgia with Georgia, and wrote
"that's funny"?
b.  Lance, what do you mean "I thought so"?  and who is Gordon Smith?

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep 16 22:05:36 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:36 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: [GCFL.net] Agriculture Subsidy
Message-ID: <20080917.104104.-170239.3.jsiarlys@juno.com>


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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:00:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [GCFL.net] Agriculture Subsidy

Funny, but it doesn't work like that. Generally, you have to have
thousands of acres in production to get these subsidies. If you have a
big industrialized farm, you can get paid not to grow rice on your
asphalt-paved tennis court. But a little guy like wrote this letter?
Never get the time of day. Its strictly for big boys who hire lobbyists
to paint pictures of the little guys to give congressmen something to
tell the voters back home.

There is a congressman on the western side of Wisconsin who has been
trying to reform these farm bills, and he gets shot down by a congressman
from the western side of Minnesota. Both Democrats, both know which side
their bread is buttered on. Ron Kind, the one from Wisconsin, is one of
two members of congress who belong to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran
Synod. The other one is a Republican from Ohio.

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Tue Sep 16 22:16:31 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:16:31 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: Re:  Three Cheers for Arizona!
Message-ID: <20080917.104104.-170239.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>

OK, its my turn to pull something out of the past that Jeanene said:

Wait until I copy the wording of the proposition on the ballot to you! 
If I 
hadn't already known how I was going to vote, I would never have been
able 
to figure out the proposition!  It was the dumbest thing.
Our democrat governor is really good.  I don't think many republicans
voted 
against her!
Jeanene

No, I have not kept archives. I was getting all my files transferred from
one slightly worn out Toshiba Tecra 550CDT to another, faster-moving,
Toshiba Tecra 550 CDT. (At this point only Lance will really be paying
attention). My Juno files were so huge I couldn't move them, so I had to
archive and purge, and ran across this. Sounded like a flash from the
past to share with everyone.

I've got my SENT files and RECEIVED files down from 186 MB to about 88
MB. The new machine is moving faster, I left behind a lot of useless
stuff, and I have half of my 4 GB hard drive empty. (When I got this
machine, in 2002, people who had machines four times as good were asking
when they could get something up to date. But the files I back up
regularly are only 400 MB).

ALL THAT, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT JEANENE LOVES ARIZONA'S DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNOR.

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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Wed Sep 17 19:27:53 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:27:53 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: Re: Three Cheers for Arizona!
In-Reply-To: <20080917.104104.-170239.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>
References: <20080917.104104.-170239.4.jsiarlys@juno.com>
Message-ID: <37915b720809171727y5187bbdbp556217f56c6183af@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I'll bite... What are the specs of your Laptop Siarlys?
~Lance

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  OK, its my turn to pull something out of the past that Jeanene said:
>
> Wait until I copy the wording of the proposition on the ballot to you!  If
> I
> hadn't already known how I was going to vote, I would never have been able
> to figure out the proposition!  It was the dumbest thing.
> Our democrat governor is really good.  I don't think many republicans
> voted
> against her!
> Jeanene
>
> No, I have not kept archives. I was getting all my files transferred from
> one slightly worn out Toshiba Tecra 550CDT to another, faster-moving,
> Toshiba Tecra 550 CDT. (At this point only Lance will really be paying
> attention). My Juno files were so huge I couldn't move them, so I had to
> archive and purge, and ran across this. Sounded like a flash from the past
> to share with everyone.
>
> I've got my SENT files and RECEIVED files down from 186 MB to about 88 MB.
> The new machine is moving faster, I left behind a lot of useless stuff, and
> I have half of my 4 GB hard drive empty. (When I got this machine, in 2002,
> people who had machines four times as good were asking when they could get
> something up to date. But the files I back up regularly are only 400 MB).
>
> ALL THAT, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT JEANENE LOVES ARIZONA'S DEMOCRATIC
> GOVERNOR.
>
> Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Fri Sep 19 10:36:54 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:36:54 -0700
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Presidential plans on Taxes
Message-ID: <37915b720809190836o6c25b810sd6ba5f2879b17bfb@mail.gmail.com>

I was talking to my parents this weekend and asked them whom they were
leading towards.
Mom is scared of Obama because of all the taxes he's planning. She's scared
he's going to strip all of the retirement my dad and her have built up for
the last 35 years.
Dad likes Obama because he wants to see change

I'm not too sure I'm so keen on having less taxes and even more affraid of
giving big companies more tax breaks. 50+ years ago Big companies were
paying 60% of the taxes now middle/low classes pay something like 70% of
taxes and that scares me.
But at the same time I don't want taxes invading my parents retirement
stashes. They've worked hard to earn that money and for some guy to come
walking in talking about taking 40% off the top of retirement funds in the
name of new taxes doesn't make sense to me at all. That's double taxation
isn't it?

Siarlys, Please shed light on both sides of both campaigns on this subject,
please.
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep 20 00:45:35 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:45:35 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Presidential plans on Taxes
Message-ID: <20080920.004545.-251295.10.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Lance, I can be such an idiot sometimes. When I read your question, I
typed a long, rambling reply including everything I thought I knew about
the subject. Before sending it, I flipped over to the late-model computer
that I use for internet and high-memory files like photos. I quickly
learned that there is a well-identified fraud circulating, which your
mother apparently got a copy of, or was told about. It has been
thoroughly debunked by FactChecker, which openly states that it is so
lacking in any factual basis that the email must be a deliberate lie.
Check this link:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.htm
l

If it doesn't open, let me know, I'll look it up again.

Siarlys

P.S. in case its of any interest, here is the rest of what I put
together:

To keep this honest, please remember that I am partisan, that is, I've
made up my mind who to vote for, and, I am not an economist. Having
disclosed that, I will try to stick to facts or common sense
observations.

One thing we all have to watch out for is that both campaigns are going
to reduce everything they say, almost, to trite slogans that don't
provide much information. Why do they do that? Because experience shows
that it wins elections. You've talked about the sheeple before, and it is
nowhere more true than the last weeks of an election. Much as I don't
trust John McCain, I know that the reason he is running such a sleazy
campaign this year is, his "Straight Talk Express" LOST in 2000.

OK, taxes and retirement. Obama has said that he will not raise taxes on
incomes under $250,000. I think that number has varied a bit over the
past ten months, but that is what he and Biden have both said on TV
lately. Frankly, I wouldn't object if he went down to $100,000, but he
hasn't. So all of us can breathe easy on that.

The argument offered, by lobbyists for big corporations, why your parents
should oppose higher taxes on corporations goes... your parents'
retirement funds are in a variety of stocks and bonds, so if corporations
pay more, your parents will get less. That stretches the truth so far, I
could almost call it a lie. My parents, by the way, are in a similar
situation, and my mother was just talking to me about it during a two-day
visit this week.

Say Sam Smith retired with $300,000 in his retirement fund, whether it is
a 401(k) or a union pension plan or an employer-controlled pension plan
or his own brokerage account and some CD's in the bank. In the years left
to him, Sam will need to spend that $300,000. Every year, he will sell
off SOME of the stock in order to regain the money. Two things can hurt
him: 1) the value of the stock goes down, 2) the stock pays less
dividends, so less new money is coming in, and therefore his fund goes
down a little faster than he planned for.

Of course part of the idea of investing in stocks is so they will go UP,
so $10,000 a year set aside over 30 years might, with luck, be worth
$500,000 when Sam turns 65. But that is not guaranteed.

You are right that corporate income tax used to be a much higher
percentage than it is now. That took some tax burden off of middle income
working families. About 90% of the benefit of the GWB tax cuts went to
the wealthiest 5-10% of taxpayers, but we all got a LITTLE of the
benefits. Then, to cover for the fact that he was still spending money,
GWB borrowed, heavily, mostly from Asian banks, including China. Sooner
or later, that debt has to be paid back, and some combination of tax
payers is on the line to pay it.

If corporate income taxes go up, it is POSSIBLE that it would lower,
somewhat, the size of the dividends that would come in from any stocks in
your parents retirement funds. But a whole lot of corporate net income
doesn't even go into dividends. It can be "retained earnings," which can
be used for whatever the managers and directors and MAJOR shareholders
want to spend it on. Generally, "retained earnings" is what gets hit, not
the dividends paid out. They have to pay dividents to keep stock price
up.

The real risk to your parent's retirement fund is that the value of the
stock will go down. That has little or nothing to do with corporate
income tax. If you look at the unstable financial markets, stock prices
ARE going down, because investors are running from the American market,
because investment banks are failing. Why? Because the same mentality
that cut corporate income taxes also "deregulated" financial markets. You
know why AIG failed? It sold "insurance" on the VALUE of investments --
like, if your investment loses value, they would make it good! For
obvious reasons, they went broke on that. Too many securities backed by
bad mortgages are losing value. There oughta be a law, literally, against
selling such insurance. With AIG going broke, it means a lot of "insured"
investments lose value, because the insurance is no good... and everyone
pulls out.

The value of your parents' stock, not their CD's or savings, but any
stock they hold, is only as high as the price people are willing to pay
for it when the stock exchange closes for the day. Its not a magic
number. More people want it, the price goes up. More people want to sell
it than there are buyers, the price goes down. The value of stock your
parents may have been holding onto for years depends on what those who
want to buy or sell today are offering and accepting. Of course, even if
it goes down this month, it could go back up before they need the money.

As far as I can see, McCain has supported all the deregulation that
allowed big financial companies to have a big party for the last ten
years, and now they are crashing, they want the taxpayers to pay the
bill. That is the real threat to your parents' retirement, and my
parents' retirement. There are two reasons someone is going to have to
pay more taxes:

1) GWB ran up a HUGE national debt. Right now, you could say we are
mortgaged to the Bank of China. That's scary. The INTEREST is costing us
more than the war in Iraq! The truth is, Democrats are the party of
pay-as-you-go, and Republicans are the party of spend the "surplus," and
borrow to pay for what we need. I would rather see those who made all the
money at the Wall Street party pay the bigger share of the tab to pay
down the debt. McCain IS railing against "Wall Street greed" now, but be
careful. He is blaming greedy INDIVIDUALS. He is a prime author of a
deregulated SYSTEM that made greed into a sound business practice. He is
talking about keeping all the "Bush tax cuts," but he is saying nothing
about reducing borrowing, or which spending he would cut.

2) There are some things we really need our government to do. Our
national infrastructure is falling apart. New sources of energy need some
kick-starting and regulatory support, which incidentally will create a
lot of jobs which cannot be exported overseas. Again, I'm voting to keep
the tax burden in the upper brackets, where its reducing spending on
luxury, not cutting into necessities. Nobody ever walked away from $1
million because they might only get to keep $578,985 of it.

Nobody is proposing to tax anybody's retirement or pensions. I expect
Obama will look out for working families (and retirees) better than
McCain. Whoever wins, they are going to be facing a nightmare situation,
requiring incredible work and cool judgment. Right now it is already a
mess.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep 20 00:39:02 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:39:02 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: Re: Three Cheers for Arizona!
Message-ID: <20080920.004545.-251295.8.jsiarlys@juno.com>

It has a 4GB hard drive, I think its 96MB of RAM, runs on Windows 98. I
looked around until I found a site that would let me download Acrobat
Reader 5.1, because anything later probably would freeze up the system. I
use Mozilla 2.1 occasionally, although I mostly surf the web on my newer
Satellite Pro with 1 GB RAM and 80 GB hard drive. For text email I use
Juno 5.0. I use MS Word 2000 (or maybe earlier) and very occasionally
Excel (to keep track of my gas mileage). This laptop was old in 2002, in
fact, I got it free because it was formally classified on inventory as
garbage. It has one USB port, and also still has a 25-pin parallel port,
which can talk to the printers I pick up for a song as rummage sales (HP
DeskJet 822C and 822C, LaserJet 5L). And it still has a working 3.5"
floppy drive. I connect it to a BackPack CD when I really need it.

Siarlys

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:27:53 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
Ok, I'll bite... What are the specs of your Laptop Siarlys?
~Lance


On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

OK, its my turn to pull something out of the past that Jeanene said:

Wait until I copy the wording of the proposition on the ballot to you! 
If I 
hadn't already known how I was going to vote, I would never have been
able 
to figure out the proposition!  It was the dumbest thing.
Our democrat governor is really good.  I don't think many republicans
voted 
against her!
Jeanene

No, I have not kept archives. I was getting all my files transferred from
one slightly worn out Toshiba Tecra 550CDT to another, faster-moving,
Toshiba Tecra 550 CDT. (At this point only Lance will really be paying
attention). My Juno files were so huge I couldn't move them, so I had to
archive and purge, and ran across this. Sounded like a flash from the
past to share with everyone.

I've got my SENT files and RECEIVED files down from 186 MB to about 88
MB. The new machine is moving faster, I left behind a lot of useless
stuff, and I have half of my 4 GB hard drive empty. (When I got this
machine, in 2002, people who had machines four times as good were asking
when they could get something up to date. But the files I back up
regularly are only 400 MB).

ALL THAT, JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT JEANENE LOVES ARIZONA'S DEMOCRATIC
GOVERNOR.

Siarlys
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From gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net  Sat Sep 20 00:39:18 2008
From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net (Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:39:18 -0500
Subject: [GCFL-discuss] Fw: Wisconsin Veterans for Obama Tour Visiting
	Waukesha
Message-ID: <20080920.004545.-251295.9.jsiarlys@juno.com>

Receiving this notice reminded me of an article about a disabled veteran
in Huntsville, AL, who was told "I had the hardest job in the campaign: I
had to convince veterans in Alabama that a black liberal lawyer would be
better for veterans than a white conservative veteran. But its true."

Siarlys

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Wisconsin?s Veterans for Obama Tour is traveling across the state this
week?and you are invited to take part! 
 
Th