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<DIV>Your exactly right Jeff. Posh, if we took your lead and your stance you
just slapped a brand new ministry here in Vancouver, Washington right in the
face. If you were to walk in in formal clothing you wouldn't fit in. YOU would
be the SQUARE peg in the round hole. If we imposed "YOU MUST WEAR FORMAL
CLOTHING TO CHURCH" you just ruined my bestfriend's ministry in inner city
Chicago: Englewood (It's apart of the ghetos). He'd be laughed right out of the
ghetos and wouldn't do a wink of good for God if he meet them where they are.
These kids have no meaning of formal clothes besides what little they see on TV
or in magazines. That to them is the farthest from their minds. I think you'll
find clothing only exists because of the original sin. Clothing wasn't in "the
plan". When Adam and Eve were pure (sinless) walking with God, they knew nothing
of the meaning of nakedness. When they ate the fruit, their eyes were opened and
their nakedness revealed: Thus the beginning of clothing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>God bless you,</DIV>
<DIV>Lance<BR>John 8:32 "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you
free."<BR></DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:38:39 -0700 <A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV> Posh,</DIV>
<DIV> MY dad would probably agree with you... I however have my own
personal opinion. I kind gotta agree with lance cause I mean you can't base
your Salvation on how you dress. However I agree it is good to wear
respectable clothing to church. I mean I wear jeans some but when I do
they are never faded & are almost always new or very close to it. I always
try to wear my best whether it is Khakis or jeans or corduroys. I think there
is a happy medium. I mean I think if its immodest you shouldn't wear it
otherwise I believe it is how you are convicted by God. ( I BELIEVE If
you have a close walk with him you will be able to know what he wants you to
do) I mean for one person it may not be an issue & for the next they might
feel led to dress up. I mean for a lot of people it is an issue to dress
up & the next one doesn't feel a twinge of guilt wearing shorts to
church. I agree with lance on the part about if clothing totally
controls your worship that you could turn people away. I also think it has a
lot to with family customs as well as how you are raised ( MEANING
THAT CAN REALLY INFLUENCE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SUBJECT) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> <STRONG>If
you look across the majority of churches across America you will see the
formality of it all dwindle away. Look back a hundred years ago or more when
people dressed up they looked a lot like the Amish do ( PA Dutch) but
just because the way society dresses slowly changes doesn't mean that we can't
still be sincere in our worship however we are dressed. I BELIEVE IT IS
SOMETHING PERSONAL EACH PERSON NEEDS TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES
& not try to push there opinion on anyone else<EM> because as long
as it is modest <U>Biblically</U> it isn't a right or wrong issue( I am
telling this to myself too :)</EM></STRONG> Hope you all can make sense out of
this. I probably should have waited till tomorrow to write this ( its late so
I am really tired) but I have the time now even though I need to go to bed
:)</DIV>
<DIV> TTYL</DIV>
<DIV> Jeff</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:22:29 -0600 <A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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<P>I think you miss the point Posh. You are right as far as you
go. We <EM><U>should</U></EM> dress our best. The real point is,
it is between the worshiper and the Lord. It is not our place to
judge. And we shouldn't keep anyone out for the way they
dress. All are children of God. Maybe those
<EM><U>are</U> </EM>his best clothes.</P>
<P>Frank<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net
<DIV></DIV>To: Frank McMullin <fjm39@hotmail.com>
<DIV></DIV>CC: "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List"
<gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Old cowboy goes to church
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi All,
<DIV></DIV>I've noticed some stories or jokes pertaining to clothing in
"church".
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Some have said, "God doesn't care as long as your there".
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I say, "How could you say that???"
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>When you go on a job interview, do you say" My future employer
will understand. As long as I show up!" NO-------
<DIV></DIV>That doesn't get you anywhere. We have to be our finest and well
groomed. We are speaking of being in god's house of worship. Would you go to
the Presidents home and wear tshirts and jeans, saying he will understand???
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>No he won't. There is respect that is lacking in peoples hearts
for PURE worship. Wearing jeans, SHORT skirts, and any old thing is not
showing CLEAN worship.
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Certain things people think are just that....what people think.
What about what god thinks? Would you really NOT care what kind of concern
you put on cleanliness????
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Posh
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net wrote:
<DIV></DIV>Hey, how come the best jokes are in the discussion, not in the
regular
<DIV></DIV>GCFL?
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Siarlys
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>(I think the regular column had a similar one about a woman in
rags who
<DIV></DIV>stank, who eventually was able to tell the pastor "Jesus said I
don't
<DIV></DIV>have to keep going to your church, he hasn't ever been able to
get into
<DIV></DIV>it either."
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>And of course, there is the old version about the man with a dark
<DIV></DIV>complexion who was thrown out of a church whose ushers were proud
of the
<DIV></DIV>pale skin of their congregation. God told him "You did better
than me.
<DIV></DIV>I've been trying to get into that church for years, and never
could get
<DIV></DIV>as close as the front door.")
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>They all teach the same lesson, don't they. And they're all
funny.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>