<DIV>Well said,</DIV>
<DIV>Nancy<BR><BR><B><I>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">If we are going to discuss salvation, it would be good to remember that<BR>our discussions include observant Orthodox Jews, Roman Catholics,<BR>Protestants, and people with no church at all. Each of these leads to<BR>different views of salvation, and no doubt within each there are<BR>differences also. greenBubble cannot be expected to believe that<BR>salvation is through Jesus alone, much less through faith alone. And<BR>Jesus himself backs this up in some parts of the Gospels.<BR><BR>As a Christian, along with my faith in Jesus as the Messiah, I am moved<BR>by the inscription "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one"<BR>which appears on some modern synagogues. I believe God had a definite<BR>purpose in keeping some millions of humans faithful to the law of Moses<BR>the past 2000 years.<BR><BR>It is rare in the history of the church for a theological dispute to<BR>begin
with, what does the Scripture tell us. More often, it begins with,<BR>here is my point, and here is the Scripture to back it up.<BR><BR>The Protestant doctrine of salvation by faith alone was developed by<BR>Martin Luther in response to a practice of the Roman Catholic Church,<BR>raising funds to build St. Peter's Basilica by selling "indulgences." The<BR>idea was, the saints have banked a great deal of excess virtue in the<BR>church, and you can get some of it to save your grandmother from<BR>purgatory, (go directly to heaven) by giving money to the church. The<BR>evils of that perspective, as well as the superstition, are obvious, and<BR>the post-Counter-Reformation Roman Catholic Church does not uphold the<BR>practice. Luther said, you cannot buy salvation. He carried it further,<BR>to say you cannot earn it, you cannot deserve it, you can obtain it only<BR>by faith.<BR><BR>I don't have at my fingertips the Bible passages Luther relied on. He did<BR>have some. Really, his
writings on "By faith alone" became so significant<BR>because they sparked the many, many debates that exploded in the<BR>Reformation, and continued to create new denominations up to the early<BR>20th century. The passages from James stand as a useful counter-weight to<BR>getting caught up in the idea that faith is all and works are nothing.<BR>Going back to an earlier root of the reformation, Wycliffe's first<BR>translation of the Latin Bible into English, everyone needs to read<BR>Scripture for themselves, and every one of these perspectives obtained<BR>from Scripture contains one part of a truth that has more dimensions than<BR>the human mind can contain all at once.<BR><BR>Siarlys<BR><BR><BR>________________________________________________________________<BR>The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!<BR>Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!<BR>Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up
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