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<DIV>GreenBubble, I've read the <EM>Screwtape Letters</EM> before, so yes I
followed Siarlys, fairly well.</DIV>
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<DIV>Lance<BR>John 8:32 "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you
free."<BR></DIV>
<DIV>On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:39:50 -0500 <A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A> writes:<BR>>
<BR>> Lance<BR>> I assume from your response that you read through, and
understood <BR>> Siarlys's<BR>> treatise on the subject. If so, I am
impressed.<BR>> <BR>> Siarlys<BR>> I kinda lost the forest for the
trees (or however the expression <BR>> goes) in<BR>> your lengthy
discussion of the subject. The only part I understood <BR>> was
the<BR>> end, in which yo say, 'Of course a shorter way to say this might be
<BR>> "If the<BR>> husband had just given her a big hug instead of looking
her over, he <BR>> would<BR>> be alive today."' Whether or not Lewis
says the same thing, I have <BR>> no clue.<BR>> <BR>> This is one of
those poison-pawn questions, from which it is <BR>> virtually<BR>>
impossible to emerge unscathed, no matter how you answer.<BR>> <BR>> When
I get that kind of question, I usually say something like "I'm <BR>>
not<BR>> touching that one -- not with a ten foot pole."<BR>> <BR>> I
would like to ask the husbands on this panel: How would you <BR>>
answer this,<BR>> or a similar, question?<BR>> I would like to ask the
wives on this panel: What answer to this, <BR>> or a<BR>> similar,
question make you feel good or at least better?<BR>> <BR>>
greenBubble<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original
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href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A> [<A
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Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:43 AM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Well said
Siarlys! Awesome, very very awesome!<BR>> <BR>> Lance<BR>> John 8:32
"You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you <BR>> free."<BR>>
<BR>> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:03:26 -0600 <A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A> writes:<BR>>
> A few days ago, the joke service sent out a funny story about a <BR>>
wife<BR>> > looking at herself in the mirror and feeling old. Her
husband's <BR>> > response<BR>> > appears to have led directly to
the announcement of his memorial<BR>> > services.<BR>> > <BR>>
> I had a thought about how he should have responded. It might have <BR>>
<BR>> > saved<BR>> > his life and pleased his wife, but it would not
be quite suitable <BR>> <BR>> > for a<BR>> > family discussion
group.<BR>> > <BR>> > But I did run across some remarks in C.S.
Lewis's THE SCREWTAPE <BR>> > LETTERS<BR>> > that provide some good
perspective on the wife's fears. Lewis was <BR>> > the<BR>> >
subject of the movie Shadowlands, about his marriage late in life <BR>> to
<BR>> > an<BR>> > American who remarked "So we're both lapsed
atheists?" Its a funny <BR>> <BR>> > and<BR>> > inspiring movie.
His future wife's son was a great fan of Lewis's <BR>> <BR>> >
child<BR>> > novel series, The Chronicles of Narnia. I heard that some
<BR>> publisher <BR>> > is<BR>> > trying to come up with a
version of the stories which has the <BR>> > obvious<BR>> >
Christian content secularized. A cartoonist pointed out that this <BR>> is
<BR>> > sort<BR>> > of like Moby Dick with the whales
removed.<BR>> > <BR>> > The Screwtape Letters are written by a
middle level executive in <BR>> > the<BR>> > bureaucracy of hell, to
his nephew, a junion tempter assigned to <BR>> > some<BR>> > poor
soul in England. In a backhanded way, through the words of<BR>> >
Screwtape, Lewis relates Christian values to modern life, and <BR>> >
criticizes<BR>> > the superficiality of the church. On the subject of
women and <BR>> their<BR>> > bodies, as it relates to securing souls
for "Our Father Below", <BR>> > Screwtape<BR>> > advises his
nephew:<BR>> > <BR>> > It is the business of our great masters in
every age to produce a <BR>> <BR>> > general<BR>> > misdirection
of what might be called sexual taste. This they do <BR>> by<BR>> >
working through the small circle of popular artists, dressmakers,<BR>> >
actresses and advertisers who determine the fashionable type. The <BR>>
<BR>> > aim is<BR>> > to guide members of each sex away from those
members of the other <BR>> <BR>> > with<BR>> > whom spiritually
helpful, happy and fertile marriages are most <BR>> > likely.<BR>> >
<BR>> > age of jazz has succeeded the age of the waltz, and we now
teach <BR>> <BR>> > men<BR>> > to like women whose bodies are
scarcely distinguishable from those <BR>> <BR>> > of<BR>> > boys.
Since this is a kind of beauty even more transitory than <BR>> most, <BR>>
> we<BR>> > thus aggravate the female's chronic horror of growing old
(with <BR>> > many<BR>> > excellent results). We have engineered a
great increase in the <BR>> > license<BR>> > which society allows to
the representation of the apparent nude <BR>> (not <BR>> > the<BR>>
> real nude). It is all a fake of course. As a result, we are more <BR>>
and <BR>> > more<BR>> > directing th desires of men to something
which does not exist -- <BR>> > making<BR>> > the role of the eye in
sexuality more important, and making its <BR>> > demands<BR>> > more
impossible. What follows you can easily guess!"<BR>> > <BR>> > Of
course a shorter way to say this might be "If the husband had <BR>> >
just<BR>> > given her a big hug instead of looking her over, he would be
alive <BR>> <BR>> > today.<BR>> > But I am really impressed with
the way Lewis puts it.<BR>> > <BR>> > Siarlys<BR>>
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