YES I DID!!! UGH!!! I worked so hard!!! (but not hard enough evidently!)<br><br>Yes, I very much enjoy the deeper reading of original literature.<br><br>~Lance<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/18/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">
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<div>This is nit-picking over typos, but I think Lance means "Peter do you love
me?" not "Paul do you love me?", and Peter says "Jesus, you know I love you,"
not "I know I love you." Point well taken on the English though, I didn't even
know Simon Baryona missed the point quite so badly as the reference to Agape and
Felejo highlights. This should give everyone caution about quoting isolated
verses in English and then announcing "God said it, I beiieve it." God certainly
said something, and this is the best understanding the reader has, without
taking the time to dig deeper.</div>
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<div>There is no better way to dig deeper than to examine the Hebrew text and
meaning, although those gentiles who believe Yehoshua ben-Yussuf was indeed the
Messiah promised as a light to the gentiles (aka Christians) must part company
with Jewish understanding at some point. greenBubble is one of the experts. The
understanding I got from another expert of similar caliber is that The Adam was
androgynous, and the male being created when the <em>tzela</em> (side, not rib)
was removed from The Adam was not Adam but Ish. Adam continued to be used as a
reference for mankind, and prophetic addresses to "Son of Man" read in the
original Hebrew "ben Adam." This raises on interesting question about Genesis
5:3-5, since it clearly is talking about a person who lived after the
separation. I have my own unorthodox thoughts about that, but I'll save them for
another time.</div>
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<div>Siarlys</div><div><span class="e" id="q_1134610d3bcd5f78_1">
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<div>This is the one part I hate about English. It's the lack of depth in its
descriptions. There are places in the New Testament where English totally
sucks air to fully communicate what's being said.</div>
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<div>For Example: Jesus talking to Peter, "Paul do you Agape me?", "Jesus I
know I felejo you" (Forgive my spellings I haven't seen them in a long while).
These are two VERY different words for love. Agape being pure Godly love. that
only which comes from God. And then Felejo I believe is the puppy dog love.
Which here we clearly see how badly Peter's missing the point! But you go to
the English translations and you got "Paul do you love me?", "Jesus I
know I love you". We have NO CLUE that Peter is on the wrong page. IT
drives me NUTS!!! I love to learn about all the different things the
English fails to cover from the original manuscripts. <br>God bless,</div>
<div>Lance<br> </div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Siarlys
wrote:</span></font></div>
<div><font size="-0"><span>It is hard to follow in European translations,
because Adam is mistaken for a proper name, and the words Adam and Ish are
freely interchanged as "man" either in singular or plural.</span>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>I think he is saying that
"Adam", as used in the beginning of Genesis, is a noun describing a man
or mankind, but is not a name. If so, I have to qualify that
statement. There are verses where the reference is to "the Adam"
in which case I would agree with Siarlys. Other places, where it is
not prefixed with "the", such as Gen 5:1,2 it is probably referring to
mankind. But in Gen 5:3-5 It clearly is referring to him
personally. And in 3:17,21 I think it is used as his name, but that's
an opinion. </span></font></div>
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