<div>Actually I know very little about the Calvinist. A gentleman in our Church's named Calvin and they'd make jokes about it. So I know a little from that. But that's really the extent of my knowledge.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/13/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List</b> <<a href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div>On Mon, 12 May 2008 22:12:24 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List" <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net" target="_blank">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</a>> writes:<br>
> English, please, Siarlys. That sounds strangely UNLIKE English.<br>> Jeanene<br>> </div></span>
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<div>I'm sorry, but I am not familiar with half the terms you just used Siarlys. :(</div>
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<div>OK, glad I waited until all the comments are in. Lance, I thought you would know all about this stuff, because you often refer to religious commentary that I never heard of. If you know about Calvin and Wesley and Azusa, surely you would know something about this? Jeanene, I started thinking about this after reading your description of the Catholic Church in the Door discussion. And I thought EVERY Christian knew that Athansius proposed that Jesus was simultaneously fully human and fully divine, while Arias said no, he was fully human and the divine was somewhere else. It used to be basic Sunday School stuff. Athansisus was accepted as orthodox, which is why it appears in recitations like the Apostles Creed, which was written centuries after the Apostles were all dead. Other stuff is more obscure, and most of us don't know about them.</div>
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<div>Pelagius was a Welsh monk who came to Rome, found everyone committing hedonistic sins, and decided that if this is what comes of salvation being a free gift of grace, maybe there was something to the idea that salvation had to be earned by leading a moral life. He also rejected original sin, which never made sense to me either, nor to anyone who has ever tried to explain the original Hebrew meaning of Genesis, because its not there.</div>
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<div>What is fun about these topics is, most Christians have never really thought about them, they probably have no great significance to God, yet the church has spent centuries debating them. Which can either make you a fan of Richard Dawkins, or, can lead you back to, OK, what was the most significant sentence or two Jesus preached, good, now get this other stuff out of my face. All theological debates end in such tangled nonsense that theology itself is revealed to be useless.</div>
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<div><br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> > On another subject, anyone interested in Pelagianism?<br>> > When I found I was too heterodox to accept Athanasian orthodoxy, <br>> I<br>> > thought I might be an Arian, but Arius didn't make much sense <br>
> either, so<br>> > I looked up the Sabellian heresy, and for reasons I can't <br>> remember, that<br>> > didn't make sense either. At least Pelagius affirmed a sense of <br>> personal<br>> > responsibility, and the importance of trying to live up to moral<br>
> > standards, unlike most of the other Christian philosophers of his <br>> time.<br>> > Siarlys<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> GCFL-discuss mailing list<br>> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:GCFL-discuss@gcfl.net" target="_blank">GCFL-discuss@gcfl.net</a><br>
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