<div dir="ltr"><div>"<font color="#6600cc">I was also disappointed by the response to the woman who asked "What<br>would you ask the American people to sacrifice?" Neither candidate gave a<br>direct answer.</font>"</div>
<div>I totally agree Both candidates missed the boat on this one! Both made some bad calls on that debate. I was very disappointed with them.<br>~Lance<br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">When I saw the name "General Uzi Dayan" I was sure this was a fake. What<br>an obviously made-up name! Well it turns out that really is his name, and<br>
he really is mad. I assume Uzi has a significance other than "machine<br>gun," the gun was named in honor of whatever it is, and so was the<br>general.<br><br>I would note however that the film in question was not produced by the<br>
Obama campaign. It was produced by an independent organization which<br>claims to support Obama's campaign. Is that a significant difference?<br>Just remember the Swift Vote Beterans in 2004. They were entirely<br>independent of the Bush campaign, right? Not to mention all the<br>
"independent" organizations running all kinds of nasty TV ads pushing<br>their own pet issues, with a nod to one candidate or the other. We all<br>admire the clever ones that happen to agree with our own point of view,<br>
and express outrage when the other side gets a low blow in.<br><br>If the Obama campaign planned this kind of deception, they would have<br>been a lot less clumsy about it, and they would have launched it so close<br>to the election that the expose would have come a few days after the<br>
votes were counted, just like the last several Republican campaigns have.<br><br>Since I never saw the original film, nor any news account of it, I hardly<br>expect the media to inform me that it has been denounced either. The<br>
media hasn't informed me at all, and it probably wasn't worth informing<br>me of either, if its such a low quality production. The generals are<br>quite correct that they shouldn't be endorsing candidates in the American<br>
election. Likewise, guessing who will be best for Israel shouldn't be THE<br>touchstone for any American voter, even those who happen to be Jewish. I<br>don't know why the makers of the film played into such nonsense.<br>
<br>So, a well-meaning effort to "help" by a bunch of clumsy amateurs. I<br>clipped a few comments following an article on the subject at<br><br><a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3606188,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3606188,00.html</a><br>
<br>Coverage and most comments were extremely critical of Obama. I clipped<br>two that were sympathetic (naturally).<br><br>10. Obama: Good for Israel<br>The Film was simply to counteract a Campaign of lies by the republicans,<br>
sent to Jewish Voters , misrepresenting Obama's Voting record and views<br>on Isreal and Jews. His Senatorial record is the SAME as McCain's , about<br>Israeli Concerns. The film shows that , NO he is not scary ,he is a known<br>
quantity and is good for Israel's Security. So if you do not want him for<br>President ( Your suicide Pill) fine. But DO NOT pretend that he has ANY<br>anti Israel views.<br>Ted Greenfield , Des Plaines, USA (10.07.08)<br>
<br><br>17. Some information about McCain<br>Some people seem very swayed by pretty tenuous connections regarding<br>Obama. If that kind of thing disturbs you, I'd suggest doing a search on<br>McCain and Singlaub. I'm not going to feed you talking points, I'm simply<br>
directing you in a direction to get some perspective. If you feel guilt<br>by association is important, then you need to look at some of McCain;s<br>associations as well.<br>Joe , San Jose, Ca (10.07.08)<br><br>I was disappointed by Obama's vague response in the debate on what to do<br>
if Iran attacked Israel, but McCain wasn't much more clear. What they<br>both miss out on is, there is plenty of dissatisfaction in Iran toward<br>the current government, and we have to learn how to play to that without<br>
expecting some instant uprising, which is not evident at all. Half the<br>game in diplomacy is to maneuver a hostile regime into a position where<br>it can't move against you without fatally undermining its own base at<br>
home. Ho Chi Minh knew how to do that to LBJ and Nixon, we should learn<br>how to do it to the Ayatollahs in Iran.<br><br>I was also disappointed by the response to the woman who asked "What<br>would you ask the American people to sacrifice?" Neither candidate gave a<br>
direct answer. Obama missed a chance to say "We will never again send<br>soldiers to war without asking every American to make the necessary<br>sacrifices to support them. If it costs money, we will cut other budget<br>
lines or raise taxes to the necessary level to pay for it, we will not<br>continue business as usual." (I suppose collecting meat fat for making<br>ammunition and collecting scrap metal to supply weapons production<br>
wouldn't play the same role, but it might be needed again.)<br><br>On the whole, Obama came across as a dynamic, capable leader, while<br>McCain came across as a tired old man who hasn't done his homework, who<br>
might have been a good candidate in 2000.<br><br>Siarlys<br>____________________________________________________________<br>Inventors: Does your idea have potential for millions? Click for info.<br><a href="http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mfCNPywN13kvAnrQ6l2NsoFuG7JmAgW6xoTctI5PvhtyT2M/" target="_blank">http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mfCNPywN13kvAnrQ6l2NsoFuG7JmAgW6xoTctI5PvhtyT2M/</a><br>
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