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<DIV>From the response I am getting, the color of text I set in Juno IS coming
through. But the background color isn't. So people are getting yellow text on a
white background, which is almost impossible to read.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Do web-based services like gmail allow you to set text color? I've been
telling people to just change the yellow text to red or blue or someting.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Siarlys</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:25:57 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <<A href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>>
writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>HAHA something I actually know.<BR>Juno allows you to set visual however
you like. Sadly that doesn't transfer over to your typing text. IF you edit
your text color it should show it to us... why it's not? No clue
:(<BR>Lance<BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Discussion of the
Good, Clean Funnies List <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>OK, we're all on the same page then. Thanks for the exercise. Its been
fun. A friend I forwarded the discussion too also had trouble reading the
yellow text. On my email softward, I have the background set to brown, and
my text to green. Highlighting in yellow looks fine with a brown background,
but if the text comes out in yellow on a different background, it doesn't
work out very well. When I receive, it is usually with my background, brown.
But some messages, particularly Jeanene's, come in with a white background.
Green and blue are OK on that, but not yellow. When text comes in, it is
usually green, for me, but sometimes it comes in black, particularly from a
friend in DC, and I have to highlight to read it on a brown background.
greenBubble comes in blue, on a brown background, but occasionally in
green.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Siarlys</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>P.S. This is Lance's area of expertise. He could tell us all what is
really going on.</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:11:22 -0400 "Discussion of the Good, Clean
Funnies List" <<A href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net"
target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>> writes:</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV align=left dir=ltr><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>I felt
it was worth sharing, if only to sit back and see how siarlys disected it,
as i knew he would.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=left dir=ltr><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>As to
the yellow text, i can't read it at all in yellow, so i convert the
whole email into plain text, and then i can read it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV align=left dir=ltr><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV align=left dir=ltr><SPAN>
<DIV align=left><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2><SPAN>greenBubble</SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>Subject:</B> Re: [GCFL-discuss] FW: Is America
Really Going to To this?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Au contraire, I think you SHOULD read these two articles in full, AND
I think you should read one specific video paid for by Obama in full, and
then you should analyze them, cross-check them, to your heart's content. I
find these articles easy to discredit, but if you find them credible, so
be it. We each have one vote. greenBubble thought this article was worth
sharing. I thought it was worth dissecting. What I did note about both
articles is that, LIKE materials that issue from any candidate's campaign,
they BEGIN with a point of view they want to persuade the reader to,
rather than beginning with a set of facts they wish to report.</DIV>
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<DIV>Siarlys</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Incidentally, a Lutheran pastor I forwarded the discussion to thought
it was neat to put the citations in yellow text, because they were
obviously yellow journalism.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:21:34 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean
Funnies List" <<A href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net"
target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>> writes:</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Wait, so 2 independent articles attacking Obama are being
discredited because you find they have conservative tendencies. And then
Claim their all lies (yet neither companies have anything to do with
each other so 2 lies saying the same thing is in need of mathematical
explanation).</DIV>
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<DIV>BUT believe I should watch videos PAID for by Obama and believe it
to be all fact?</DIV>
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<DIV>Come on sir, I find this very hard to swallow.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>~Lance<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=Wj3C7c>On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Discussion of the
Good, Clean Funnies List <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net"
target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Dear greenBubble and everyone,</DIV>
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<DIV>As you might expect, I can't find any merit in this article at
all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The important reason is, why not?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I note in passing that <I>The Spectator</I> and <I>World</I>
magazine are somewhat MORE partisan in their peculiar caterwauling
than either of the candidate's campaign organizations are. They have a
right to express their opinion, but there is nothing factually
reliable there.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a long term view of politics. Barack Obama became a
plausible candidate for president because he broke the decripit
stereotypes that American politics had been locked into. The
artificial monstrosities of "blue states" and "red states," the tired
and almost meaningless terms "liberal" and "conservative," the
infatuation with cultural polarization that accurately describes very
few Americans. We are each much more complex than either the media or
the professional politicos give us credit for, and we exist in much
more complex webs of inter-relation to each other.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Obama understands those complex interconnections that make us
Americans, and those voters who have supported him, and seem ready to
do so again, sense that, respond to it, look forward to leadership of
the nature he offers.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Also, he has a capacity to think about what he is doing, or
saying, and to then answer decisively, as opposed to acting without
thinking (the Bush style) or dithering without saying or doing
anything (the style which cost John Kerry the 2004 election). He
doesn't run away or go into loud denial either -- for instance, he
waded right into the Jeremiah Wright controversy, and refused to cater
to any loud demands from either admirers or critics of Wright.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Rush Limbaughs and Ann Coulters of the world (and add Melanie
Phillips to the list) feel threatened by Obama, because their careers
and influence, such as it is, are built in the very hatreds and
polarizations which Obama is capably demolishing. So, rather than
criticize him for what he is, they are trying to demonize him with the
same tired old characterizations. It is not working, because these
characterizations do not fit him, and a majority of voters recognize
that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This article you just posted is exactly the kind of desperate
hysteria I am referring to.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By contrast, the <I>Chicago Tribune</I>, the most conservative
Republican major daily in the country, has probably endorsed a
Democrat for the first time in its history in choosing Barack Obama.
The Tribune has been the source of the most critical factual data
about Obama's less than savory associations with Chicago politics. The
Tribune observes, however, that having had the opportunity to observe
his career close-up for many years, before he became a national
figure, and since, it is satisfied he is the most qualified candidate
this year. By all accounts from Illinois, people in the state like a
combination of vision with pragmatic political strategy, and don't
hold some compromises with whoever is in power against Obama.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe the authors will be surprised at how Obama does in
office. I believe that his administration will not only be the end of
pseudo-"conservative" hysteria, it will be the end of liberalism as we
know it. Nancy Pelosi will just have to go along for the ride, because
she doesn't have any other options.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now, as to the specific matter of Israel, I am a little
disappointed that Obama has catered so much to the mantra required of
American politicians to loudly proclaim their commitment to Israel. I
don't believe that the foreign policy of the United States of America
should be held hostage to any nation, including Israel. It speaks
poorly of our democracy when any ethnic voting bloc can exercise a
veto for its pet nation. (By the same token, I am not offended that
Jonathan Pollard felt impelled to spy on the U.S. for Israel -- they
are, after all, two distinct sovereign nations, and their interests do
not always perfectly coincide). I feel the same way about urban
concentrations of Slovaks, Serbs and Croats sabotaging George F.
Kennan's diplomatic work with President Tito of Yugoslavia during
circa 1960. This is America, not a surrogate for any foreign power. I
also feel the same about President Reagan appointing an ambassador to
the Vatican, which is not a state except in its own pretensions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Israel does have a right to exist. Some of its policies are, in
the long run, going to jeopardize its own existence, and perhaps our
nation should firmly make that clear and refuse to give any Israeli
government carte blanche. Likewise, we should stop catering to brutal
dictatorships in Arabic-speaking nations, which simply turn the
oppressed population hostile to us, when we should be a beacon of hope
to them. (Hosni Mubarak in Egypt comes to mind, and our schizophrenic
relationship to the Wahabi theocracy in Saudi Arabia).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But I expect President Obama will for the most part leave US
policy toward Israel about as it is. That is the safe thing to do,
politically, particularly during a president's first term. He may be
able to help Israel by reaching out more credibly to its
neighbors.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are, in fact, millions of Arab-Americans, who have endured
the absurdity of being cast as second class citizens as Obama was
accused of being Muslim or Arab. As Colin Powell finally had the
courage to point out, "So what if he is?" He's not, but neither Muslim
faith nor Arab descent disqualifies any native-born American citizen
from being president. A large portion of Arab-Americans are fifth
generation. Labor unions in 1900 had to translate leaflets into
Arabic, among a dozen other languages, because so many Syrian and
Lebanese immigrants were in the work force. Generally, these Americans
have not held candidates hostage by demanding that they denounce
Israel, or pledge military aid to whatever country their grandparents
or great great grandparents emigrated from.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Is America really going to do this? I believe we are, and thank
G-d for it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Siarlys</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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