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<DIV>Not only that, but Congress did NOT go out of their way to make themselves
immune to this new bill.</DIV>
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<DIV>For the obvious reason that people would be outraged, and the whole process
was already under a microscope, the law contains specific language that what
congress and congressional staff get in the way of health care MUST be obtained
within the terms of the law that apply to everyone else.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Unfortunately, once again, all anyone has to do is repeat a lie often
enough, and millions of people will believe its true. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Separate issue: People have gotten the idea (and I admit, I often feel this
way at first glance on any subject I feel strongly about), that if I want
something, it must be a constitutional right, or, if I want something off my
back, it must be prohibited by something in the constitution. As Justice Scalia
pointed out, the constitution does not mean what we think it ought to mean, it
means what it says.</DIV>
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<DIV>I was worried about the shape of the new bill, because I haven't had
insurance since last July, I don't have the money to pay for anything like what
my last employer was providing, and a several thousand dollar fine with my tax
return was not appealing. (That is an understatement).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kaiser Family Foundation has an excellent web page on the subject (start at
<A href="http://www.kff.org">www.kff.org</A> ) and I found that sliding scale of
the share of cost I'd have to pay is perfectly reasonable -- in short, I'll be
covered after 2014, even if things don't improve, I'll have to pay something,
but nothing more than I can afford.</DIV>
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<DIV>Siarlys</DIV>
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<DIV>On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:42:50 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <<A href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>>
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<DIV>Sadly I don't know... But when Congress went out of their way to add a
piece to their health care that makes them immune to this new bill people were
outraged... They kept quoting that there's some amendment that said Congress
couldn't make a law for the masses but not themselves.<BR>Just checked all 27
Amendments and I'm not seeing anything close to saying that...
:(<BR><BR>Lance<BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Discussion of the
Good, Clean Funnies List <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net">gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV>Lance, I can't think of any language in the Constitution which says
that Congress cannot make any law that Congress is immune to. It's certainly
not in the First Amendment. Please quote the specific language, and we could
have some fun kicking around what it means.</DIV>
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<DIV>Siarlys</DIV>
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<DIV>On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:21:49 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean
Funnies List" <<A href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net"
target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Doesn't it also say Congress cannot make a law they're immune
to?<BR><BR>~Lance<BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Discussion of the
Good, Clean Funnies List <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net"
target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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greenBubble, Jeanene, whom else it may conern...<BR><BR>The reason I
said "Congress shall make no law..." and left it
trailing<BR>was,<BR><BR>1) The point under discussion, or the relevant
implication in my mind, I<BR>forget which, was that when the First
Amendment says "Congress shall pass<BR>no law..." (regarding whatever
comes next), it categorically denies<BR>Congress jurisdiction over that
subject matter. It does not, as some<BR>schools of judicial philosophy
would have it, mean "Congress shall pass<BR>no law... unless Congress
and the Supreme Court agree that, on balance,<BR>the government's
interest in passing the law is greater than the people's<BR>interest in
not having the law passed."<BR><BR>2) I assumed that the well-informed,
patriotic, citizens who populate<BR>this discussiong group, would know
quite well what it is that "Congress<BR>shall pass no law" about:<BR>
<DIV><BR>"respecting an establishment of religion,"<BR><BR></DIV>"nor
prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."<BR><BR>"or abridging the
freedom of speech..."<BR><BR>"or of the press..."<BR><BR>"or the right
of the people peacably to assemble..."<BR><BR>"and to petition their
government for redress of grievances."<BR><BR>Again, my point was, on
these matters, Congress shall pass NO law, not<BR>some law, not a little
bit of law, not laws infringining in small ways,<BR>NO
LAW.<BR><BR>Justice Hugo Black, the civil libertarian former senator
from Alabama,<BR>was quite eloquent on this point, and quite forceful.
When Hugo Black<BR>Antonin Scalia agree, they are almost always correct.
When they disagree,<BR>the man from Alabama usually has it
right.<BR><BR>Siarlys<BR><BR>On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 22:35:23 -0400
"Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies<BR>
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target=_blank>gcfl-discuss@gcfl.net</A>> writes:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>> siarlys<BR>> i think jeanene takes exception to your
frequent quote of half a<BR>> sentence: "Congress shall make
no law, " implying that congress<BR>> shall<BR>> pass no
laws at all, which is obviously not the constitution's<BR>> intent
at<BR>> all.<BR>><BR>> greenBubble<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] The Poll Taker<BR>><BR>> I'm still not
clear. What was the misquote? And what was its<BR>>
significance<BR>> to the meaning of the First
Amendment?<BR>><BR>> I too have some Scot-Irish, but more Welsh,
on two different sides<BR>> of my<BR>> mother's family, and some
east Tennessee Cherokee, nobody who got as<BR>> far<BR>> west as
Oklahoma. I guess nobody wanted to cross all those flatlands<BR>>
to<BR>> get from the Appalachians to the Ozarks.<BR>><BR>>
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