[GCFL-discuss] FW: Is America Really Going to To this?

Fri Oct 31 12:08:32 CDT 2008

i think both questions are absurd.  Siarlys does not have to show
anything bad about obama, since we've no doubt seen it already.  We have
no reason to show anything negative about mccain, since he's no doubt
seen that.

greenBubble 

Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] FW: Is America Really Going to To this?

Yes, I'm quite excited about how Washington has made them all fight to
the bitter end to get on the ballet and nothing says both parties will
make it. Quite fun.

A quick note; I like how you dodged the fact Obama said he would limit
his spending (which would have made the first presidential campaign to
ever stay within limits, instead we're breaking records of the rich
spending their freedom of speech) but he never followed through with
that promise. McCain was given no choice but to not sign it because it's
a statistical fact that whomever spends the most wins.
I found it interesting that yesterday's cartoon was actually about this:
<http://www.comics.com/comics/grandave/archive/images/grandave2008183421
030.gif>
<http://www.comics.com/comics/grandave/archive/grandave-20081030.html>

Why does the Siarlys Media only have negative things to say about
McCain? Why is it Siarlys, who said his goal was to get me to vote
Obama, hasn't kept up his end of the bargain and presented pro's and
con's for both sides?

~Lance

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

	To coin a phrase, how come the Lance Media are always digging up
negative
	things to say about Obama, and hardly ever have anything
negative to say
	about McCain? There is an obvious media bias here.

	But I'll bite anyway. None of the money Obama is spending is
taxpayer
	dollars, it is all private voluntary donations. So its not
"hurting" any
	class of people, except those who chose to give it.

	It would be nice to put elections in an iron-clad straight
jacket, where
	each candidate is assigned an equal amount of money, and a
specified
	amount of TV, radio, print media, and internet time/exposure to
make
	their case, with all other spending by anyone and everyone
prohibited by
	law.

	For example, to be even-handed about it, the Planned Parenthood
ad which
	stops just short of saying that Sarah Palin supports rape, and
the
	BornAliveTruth.org ad which doesn't even stop short of saying
that Obama
	supports infanticide, would both be banned.

	The near impossibility of banning the "outside commentary" ads,
the
	reflex of any campaign to respond to or drown out such ads, is
one reason
	we've never accomplished this laudable goal. They always find a
way
	around whatever the latest law is. This year, the money is
staying out of
	the 527 groups who made headlines in 2004, running through
501(c)(4)
	organizations which don't have to disclose their donors.

	Also, while McCain is limited in what he can spend, the
Republican
	National Committee, an independent organization not connected to
the
	McCain campaign, is putting tens of millions of additional
dollars into
	the presidential race. I've gotten two mailings and at least
four taped
	phone calls from them, not counting what they spend on TV ads
and get out
	the vote operations. (No, the Democratic National Committee is
not
	putting equal money into the presidential race, for the simple
reason
	that Obama is doing so well with fundraising, the Dems can
afford to put
	their money into congressional and senate races. No virtue here,
pure
	self-interest, but it does make the net balance more
complicated.)

	Another problem is that every minor candidate demands equal
time. Now
	with public confidence in both Democrats and Republicans at an
all-time
	low, it would be unfair and unwise to limit the public money and
air time
	to just these two. But it would be wierd and a real waste to
give the
	same 80 million dollars to every egotist who puts their name on
the
	ballot.

	So far, we've got what we've got, and if a candidate can tap the
support,
	naturally they are going to make use of it. That doesn't say a
darn thing
	about what kind of policies they will work by if elected.

	I would like to see a much shorter election season, leaving less
room for
	all the ads and spending and such. Maybe a nationally
coordinated primary
	season starting no earlier than April 1, ending no later than
June 30, a
	mandatory two months of media silence over the rest of the
summer, and
	two months for each surviving candidate to make their case in
the fall.

	The Supreme Court has found free speech issues in many attempts
to
	regulate campaigns. Depending on who is writing what law, either
the
	Democratic Party, or the Republican Party, or both, go to court
over this
	stuff. Republicans have historically had the edge on
fundraising, and
	therefore object to limits on campaign spending. So, Obama
turned the
	tables this year? The Republicans have no moral high ground to
object.
	Sour grapes. Not from you Lance, its your honest opinion, but
the
	Republicans really have no ground to complain.

	Washington state has made some interesting efforts to establish
primaries
	which throw all the candidates together onto one ballot, let the
	candidate list their party affiliation, if any, and let any
voter cast
	their ballot for any candidate, then put the top two on the
general
	election ballot. I like that. If the top two are both Dems, or
both Reps,
	so be it. If its one or the other, vs. a Green, a Blue, a
Purple, and
	Independent, or whatever, so be it. Its a good example for the
country.

	Siarlys

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