[GCFL-discuss] Sources

Mon May 24 22:23:46 CDT 2004

Posh cited extensive Scriptural sources. Whether it is radical or
accepted is irrelevant. 
"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thous hast hid
these things fro the wise and prudent, and hast revelate them unto
babes." --John 10:21

On Mon, 24 May 2004 09:57:07 -0700 gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net writes:
>Posh, excellent OPINION... But where did you dredge that opinion up?
>You didn't even sight your source, come now, you know better than
>that. Where did you get this?
>
>Wouldn't this be considered radical opinion? Not accepted opinion?
>
>God bless,
>Dajasgelendam Mauschu
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
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>To: Lance Kirkman <romans832 at gmail.com>
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>Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot be a fiery
>place of torment where the wicked suffer after death. What, then, is
>hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer
>that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: "Neither was [Jesus]
>forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see
>corruption."* (Acts 2:31) Where was the hell to which even Jesus went?
>The apostle Paul wrote: "I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for
>our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes,
>that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures."
>(1 Corinthians 15:3, 4) So Jesus was in hell, the grave, but he was
>not abandoned there, for he was raised up, or resurrected.
>
>
>Job prayed for protection in hell
>
>Consider also the case of the righteous man Job, who suffered much.
>Wishing to escape his plight, he pleaded: "Who will grant me this,
>that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy
>wrath pass?"# (Job 14:13, Douay Version) How unreasonable to think
>that Job desired to go to a fiery-hot place for protection! To Job,
>"hell" was simply the grave, where his suffering would end. The Bible
>hell, then, is the common grave of mankind where good people as well
>as bad ones go.
>
>Could it be that the fire of hell is symbolic of all-consuming, or
>thorough, destruction? Separating fire from Hades, or hell, the
>Scriptures say: "Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire."
>"The lake" mentioned here is symbolic, since death and hell (Hades)
>that are thrown into it cannot literally be burned. "This [lake of
>fire] means the second death"=EF=BF=BDdeath from which there is no 
>hope of
>coming back to life.=EF=BF=BDRevelation 20:14.
>
>
>Fiery Gehenna=EF=BF=BDa symbol of eternal destruction
>
>The lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna
>[hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. (Matthew 5:22;
>Mark 9:47, 48) Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek
>Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls
>of Jerusalem. When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a
>garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses
>of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith's
>Dictionary of the Bible) The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur
>to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of
>everlasting destruction.
>
>As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction.
>Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away
>with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death.
>Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that
>lake. (Revelation 21:8) They too will be annihilated forever. On the
>other hand, those in God's memory who are in hell=EF=BF=BDthe common 
>grave =
>of
>mankind=EF=BF=BDhave a marvelous future.
>Hell Emptied!
>
>Revelation 20:13 states: "The sea gave up those dead in it, and death
>and Hades gave up those dead in them." Yes, the Bible hell will be
>emptied. As Jesus promised, "the hour is coming in which all those in
>the memorial tombs will hear [Jesus'] voice and come out." (John 5:28,
>29) Although no longer presently existing in any form, millions of
>dead ones who are in Jehovah God's memory will be resurrected, or
>brought back to life, in a restored earthly paradise.=EF=BF=BDLuke 
>23:43; A=
>cts
>24:15.
>
>In the new world of God's making, resurrected humans who comply with
>his righteous laws will never need to die again. (Isaiah 25:8) Jehovah
>"will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more,
>neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore." In fact, "the
>former things [will] have passed away." (Revelation 21:4) What a
>blessing is in store for those in hell=EF=BF=BD"the memorial tombs"! 
>This
>blessing indeed is reason enough for us to take in more knowledge of
>Jehovah God and his Son, Jesus Christ.=EF=BF=BDJohn 17:3.
>
>'Those in the memorial tombs will come out'
> In the King James Version, the Greek word Hades is rendered "hell" in
>each of its ten occurrences in the Christian Greek Scriptures. The
>rendering at Luke 16:19-31 mentions torment, but the entire account is
>symbolic in meaning.
>The Hebrew word Sheol occurs 65 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and is
>rendered "hell," "grave," and "pit" in the King James Version.
> =20
>POSH
>=20
>
>gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net wrote:
>       Posh,=20
> Ok I disagree with you. First off God will destroy anyone who does
>not have a personal walk with him. Second of all the many times hell
>is written about in the Bible is so often I did not bother to count
>them because it would take too long. In 2Pe 2:4  God cast the angels
>that sinned into hell until the judgement.2Pe 2:4 For if God spared
>not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered
>them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
>  In Revelation ( which is a book written about the future) all people
>who's name were not written in the book of life  were cast into the
>lake of fire ( hell)
>Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was
>cast into the lake of fire.
> If you study the Bible closely ( not meaning you havn't) you will
>find Gods plan is like this"
> God made man.Man lived in the garden. Man sinned. God sent his only
>begotton Son JESUS into the world so that we may be saved through him.
>If man ( this is meaning women too :) does not accept Christ & truely
>walk with him before he dies he goes to
>hell. No matter how much anyone ever wants to change that, it is the
>way it is because that is what the Bible says.
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