[GCFL-discuss] Israel Without Hillary

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Thank you. That's what I was in reference to. So many don't seem to even
look at this Biblical history to the hate between Ishmael and Isaac

Lance

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  The half brothers are Ishmael (by Abram and an Egyptian slave Hagar)
> and Isaac (by Abraham and Sarah) born 13 years apart.  As with all of
> Scripture, this bit of history is fascinating to me.  I would love to have a
> window into time past and watch as this story unfolds.  I learned these
> Bible stories hour after hour throughout my entire childhood (birth to
> teens) and still love to read them and remember the awesome God of the Old
> Testament.  I regret that my children were not told these stories as a part
> of church attendance.  And I failed in reading them to all three.  My
> conscience has been pricked and I WILL read and discuss these stories with
> my six-year-old daughter.
> Here is the story, and although it appears long, it is worth the read:
>
> Genesis 16
> Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian
> maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from
> having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family
> through her."
> Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan
> ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her
> to her husband to be his wife. He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
> When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. Then
> Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I
> put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she
> despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me."
> "Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her whatever you
> think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.
> The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the
> spring that is beside the road to Shur. And he said, "Hagar, servant of
> Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
> "I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
> Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit
> to her." The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they
> will be too numerous to count."
> The angel of the LORD also said to her:
>        "You are now with child
>        and you will have a son.
>        You shall name him Ishmael,
>        for the LORD has heard of your misery.
>        He will be a wild donkey of a man;
>        his hand will be against everyone
>        and everyone's hand against him,
>        and he will live in hostility
>        toward all his brothers."
> She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the God who sees
> me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me." That is why the
> well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.
> So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she
> had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.
>
> Genesis 17
> When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I
> am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless. I will confirm my covenant
> between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers."
> Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, "As for me, this is my covenant
> with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer will you be
> called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of
> many nations. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and
> kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting
> covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the
> generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after
> you. The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an
> everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be
> their God."
> Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and
> your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant
> with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every
> male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it
> will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to
> come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised,
> including those born in your household or bought with money from a
> foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household
> or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your
> flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not
> been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has
> broken my covenant."
> God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to
> call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and will surely
> give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of
> nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
> Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born
> to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of
> ninety?" And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your
> blessing!"
> Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will
> call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting
> covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard
> you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly
> increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will
> make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac,
> whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year."
> When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
>
> Genesis 18
> The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was
> sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked
> up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the
> entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
> He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your
> servant by. Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your
> feet and rest under this tree. Let me get you something to eat, so you can
> be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your
> servant."
>       "Very well," they answered, "do as you say."
> So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. "Quick," he said, "get three
> seahs of fine flour and knead it and bake some bread."
> Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a
> servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and
> the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate,
> he stood near them under a tree.
> "Where is your wife Sarah?" they asked him.
>       "There, in the tent," he said.
> Then the LORD said, "I will surely return to you about this time next year,
> and Sarah your wife will have a son."
> Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind
> him. Abraham and Sarah were already old and well advanced in years, and
> Sarah was past the age of childbearing. So Sarah laughed to herself as she
> thought, "After I am worn out and my master is old, will I now have this
> pleasure?"
> Then the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh and say, 'Will I really
> have a child, now that I am old?' Is anything too hard for the LORD ? I will
> return to you at the appointed time next year and Sarah will have a son."
> Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, "I did not laugh."
>       But he said, "Yes, you did laugh."
>
> Genesis 21
> Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did for
> Sarah what he had promised. Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham
> in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. Abraham gave the name
> Isaac to the son Sarah bore him. When his son Isaac was eight days old,
> Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. Abraham was a hundred years
> old when his son Isaac was born to him.
> Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this
> will laugh with me." And she added, "Who would have said to Abraham that
> Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age."
> The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held
> a great feast. But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne
> to Abraham was mocking, and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave
> woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the
> inheritance with my son Isaac."
> The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God
> said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant.
> Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your
> offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a
> nation also, because he is your offspring."
> Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of water and gave
> them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent her off with the
> boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of Beersheba.
> When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one of the
> bushes. Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she
> thought, "I cannot watch the boy die." And as she sat there nearby,
> she began to sob.
> God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven
> and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard
> the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand,
> for I will make him into a great nation."
> Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and
> filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.
> God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an
> archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife
> for him from Egypt.
>
>
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