[GCFL-discuss] Israel Without Hillary

Thu Jun 19 23:23:23 CDT 2008

Whoever sent out the quote from Genesis did not sign it, though i'm
guessing it was Jeanene.

Actually the feuding brothers in the Old Testament were Jacob and Esau,
who were twins.  I'm not aware of any Biblical fights between Ishmael
(and descendants) and Isaac.

greenBubble 

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Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] Israel Without Hillary

Thank you. That's what I was in reference to. So many don't seem to even
look at this Biblical history to the hate between Ishmael and Isaac

Lance

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

	The half brothers are Ishmael (by Abram and an Egyptian slave
Hagar) and Isaac (by Abraham and Sarah) born 13 years apart.  As with
all of Scripture, this bit of history is fascinating to me.  I would
love to have a window into time past and watch as this story unfolds.  I
learned these Bible stories hour after hour throughout my entire
childhood (birth to teens) and still love to read them and remember the
awesome God of the Old Testament.  I regret that my children were not
told these stories as a part of church attendance.  And I failed in
reading them to all three.  My conscience has been pricked and I WILL
read and discuss these stories with my six-year-old daughter.
	Here is the story, and although it appears long, it is worth the
read:

	Genesis 16 
	Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had
an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; so she said to Abram, "The LORD has
kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I
can build a family through her." 
	Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living
in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar
and gave her to her husband to be his wife. He slept with Hagar, and she
conceived. 
	When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her
mistress. Then Sarai said to Abram, "You are responsible for the wrong I
am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she
is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me." 
	"Your servant is in your hands," Abram said. "Do with her
whatever you think best." Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from
her. 
	The angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert;
it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. And he said, "Hagar,
servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?" 
	"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
	Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress
and submit to her." The angel added, "I will so increase your
descendants that they will be too numerous to count." 
	The angel of the LORD also said to her: 
	       "You are now with child 
	       and you will have a son. 
	       You shall name him Ishmael, 
	       for the LORD has heard of your misery.
	       He will be a wild donkey of a man; 
	       his hand will be against everyone 
	       and everyone's hand against him, 
	       and he will live in hostility 
	       toward all his brothers." 
	She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: "You are the
God who sees me," for she said, "I have now seen the One who sees me."
That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there,
between Kadesh and Bered.
	So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to
the son she had borne. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore
him Ishmael.

	Genesis 17
	When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him
and said, "I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless. I will
confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your
numbers." 
	Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, "As for me, this is my
covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. No longer
will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you
a father of many nations. I will make you very fruitful; I will make
nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my
covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your
descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and
the God of your descendants after you. The whole land of Canaan, where
you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you
and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." 
	Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my
covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to
come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the
covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You
are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant
between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who
is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your
household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your
offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money,
they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an
everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been
circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken
my covenant."
	God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no
longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her and
will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be
the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her." 
	Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a
son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the
age of ninety?" And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live
under your blessing!" 
	Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son,
and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an
everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael,
I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and
will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve
rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will
establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next
year." 
	When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from
him. 

	Genesis 18
	The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while
he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.
Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them,
he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to
the ground. 
	He said, "If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not
pass your servant by. Let a little water be brought, and then you may
all wash your feet and rest under this tree. Let me get you something to
eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way-now that you have
come to your servant." 
	      "Very well," they answered, "do as you say." 
	So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. "Quick," he said,
"get three seahs of fine flour and knead it and bake some bread." 
	Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and
gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some
curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before
them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree. 
	"Where is your wife Sarah?" they asked him. 
	      "There, in the tent," he said. 
	Then the LORD said, "I will surely return to you about this time
next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son." 
	Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was
behind him. Abraham and Sarah were already old and well advanced in
years, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. So Sarah laughed to
herself as she thought, "After I am worn out and my master is old, will
I now have this pleasure?" 
	Then the LORD said to Abraham, "Why did Sarah laugh and say,
'Will I really have a child, now that I am old?' Is anything too hard
for the LORD ? I will return to you at the appointed time next year and
Sarah will have a son." 
	Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, "I did not laugh." 
	      But he said, "Yes, you did laugh."

	Genesis 21
	Now the LORD was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the LORD
did for Sarah what he had promised. Sarah became pregnant and bore a son
to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him.
Abraham gave the name Isaac to the son Sarah bore him. When his son
Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him.
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
	Sarah said, "God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears
about this will laugh with me." And she added, "Who would have said to
Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in
his old age." 
	The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned
Abraham held a great feast. But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the
Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, and she said to Abraham, "Get
rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will
never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac." 
	The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his
son. But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and
your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is
through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son
of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring." 
	Early the next morning Abraham took some food and a skin of
water and gave them to Hagar. He set them on her shoulders and then sent
her off with the boy. She went on her way and wandered in the desert of
Beersheba. 
	When the water in the skin was gone, she put the boy under one
of the bushes. Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot
away, for she thought, "I cannot watch the boy die." And as she sat
there nearby, she began to sob. 
	God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar
from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be
afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up
and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." 
	Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she
went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. 
	God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and
became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother
got a wife for him from Egypt.

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