[GCFL-discuss] FW: Is America Really Going to To this?

[Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#cnnSTCText
 Commentary: Obama breaks promise on campaign finance

2 Interesting snipits from this article:
"One year ago, Obama made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing
and to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated
within those limits."
"Just to throw a number out: Obama has raised well over $600 million since
the start of his campaign, close to what George Bush and John Kerry raised
combined in 2004."

Nice liberal spending... doesn't sound like middle class concern there.
~Lance

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List
<gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

>  Before I click on my Juno dial-up to check what has been going on in the
> discussion group for the past 24 hours...
>
> Now that it is NOT 11:00 pm, and I do NOT have to be up at 5:30 am to drive
> a ten hour bus route...
>
> I am going to do a more thorough factual dissection of Miss Melanie's
> hysterical moment...
>
> She begins with broad sweeping reference to "the madness that's been on
> display since 9/11 itself, when swathes of the UK population decided that
> 'America had it coming to it'
> because it supported Israel, and that George W Bush was the most dangerous
> man on the planet."  Leaving aside that the main reason I do not consider
> George W. Bush the most dangerous man on the planet is because he lacks
> competence to match his ambition, there are indeed people, on both sides of
> the Atlantic, who answer to the above description. Barack Obama is not one
> of them, and never has been.
>
> Most of these people are my age or older, not Obama's age or younger. They
> have spent much of their lives criticizing the government of the United
> States for real and imagined abuses of power. They have not gotten it
> through their heads that if Osama bin-Laden ever achieved the world-wide
> emirate to which he aspires, they would be first in line to have their heads
> chopped off. (Al Qaeda is NOT a plucky little guerilla outfit trying to save
> indigenous peoples from capitalist exploitation. And Osama does NOT like
> liberals at all.) Fortunately, these people are few, marginal, and without
> significant influence. Their main function, aside from contemplating each
> other's political navels, is to serve as a foil for articles like this one.
>
> So Phillips is already indulging in deception which rivals that of Joseph
> Goebbels (repeat a lie often enough, and people will believe it), to present
> this as an analysis of the significance of Obama's probable impending
> election. It is rather as if I exclaimed that men cheating on their wives
> undermines the integrity of marriage, and is unfair to their children (both
> true statements) then followed up with "So how could you possibly be friends
> with greenBubble?" I have NO reason to believe that greenBubble has ever
> been unfaithful to his wife. In fact, it is statistically unlikely, because
> that is indeed very rare among Orthodox Jews. Very rare. But this unlikely
> to libelous insinuation has about the same relationship to my concern for
> family values, as Obama's election has to the foolishness which Phillips
> waves to begin her petty tirade.
>
> Then Miss Melanie goes on to condemn "that media class which, in
> refusing to tell the public what it needs to know about Barack Obama, may
> now finally install in the White House the man who personifies the
> repudiation of the American power and western values..." as demonstrated
> by "the lack
> of equivalent hardball coverage of the other side -- or worse, actively
> serving as attack dogs for the presidential ticket of Sens. Barack Obama,
> D-Ill., and Joe Biden, D-Del."
>
> All the specific instances Phillips refers to have in fact been intensively
> covered. I've read about them in TIME magazine, and when I check the NY
> TIMES web site, there they are again. Articles about the allegations,
> articles about what the pundits say about the allegations, articles about
> how the allegations are affecting voters' choices...
>
> Voters don't really care, and that is what infuriates anyone who
> desperately wants voters to NOT elect Obama. He was quite upfront about his
> grad school drug use, he could hardly deny it, having mentioned it in two
> best selling books. What little there is to say about Obama's ties to Rezko
> have been dredged up over and over. Everyone knows all about Jeremiah
> Wright. It hasn't had the impact that the Swift Vote Beterans think they had
> on John Kerry. (I don't believe they had much impact at all -- Kerry was so
> lame he would have lost anyway, but he played right into that kind of
> innuendo.)
>
> Then there is "Joe the Plumber. Middle America, even
> when they didn't agree with Joe, looked on in horror as the press took
> apart
> the private life of an average person who had the temerity to ask a tough
> question of a presidential candidate. So much for the standing up for the
> little man." Making Joe larger than life was the miniscule right-wing
> bridge club's last hope for an icon that would make a laughing-stock of
> Obama, and it flopped. I've read plenty of media coverage. They played up
> his question, Obama's answer, everything McCain made out of it. The press
> took apart his private life? I don't think so. I haven't read anything about
> his divorce, his hypothetical love affairs, what church he belongs to, what
> his pastor preaches on Sunday, what sports he enjoys, what he drinks,
> whether he uses drugs for recreational purposes... none of that. I have read
> analysis of the company he wants to buy, its revenues and expenses, which
> strongly suggest that he will get a net tax CUT under Obama's plan, not an
> increase. It is all about the difference between gross revenues and net
> profit. The current owner of the company (Joe's boss) doesn't take home
> $268,000, the company takes in that much revenue, out of which rent or
> mortgage, truck payments and maintenance, supplies, parts, tools, utilities,
> etc. are deducted (and tax deductible on a Schedule C -- I know because at a
> much smaller level I also fill out a Schedule C). I have also read brief
> mention of the Plumber's Union claiming that Joe is not licensed by the
> State of Ohio, which does require plumbers to have a license.
>
> As to the "criminal fundraising" -- there is nothing in the way of decent
> footnotes or evidence. "The gentleman who started the ball rolling" is not
> even named. IF a campaign as smooth and sophisticated as Obama's intended to
> collect campaign donations beyond the legal limit from a wealthy donor, can
> anyone tell me any reason it would carefully suspend standard security,
> monitoring and compliance procedures to accept donations *under the cover
> names Phillips cites? *Wouldn't anyone with half a brain prefer these
> illegal donations to be in the names of John Smith, Curtis Jones, Albert
> Hutchinson and Jerry Lee Briggs?
>
> The whole accusation sounds like a set-up or a con job to me.
>
> Rashid Kalidi, whatever else he may be, is not a candidate for a post in
> the Obama cabinet. I have friends from high school who were members of Young
> Americans for Freedom. I would hate to run for office and find myself
> accused in a liberal-leaning district of sharing every tenet of their
> beliefs. I'm not sure why Phillips bothers. If voters have by and large been
> able to distinguish between a candidate and his ex-pastor, a candidate and
> someone who sat on the same board, a candidate and someone who once held a
> living room fundraiser for him, why wouldn't voters be unable to distinguish
> between what Obama's policies will be and what someone he has had valued
> conversations with might advocate in circles that are certainly not
> connected to the United States government?
>
> Incidentally, I could see some distinct parallels between Zionist settlers
> on the west bank and Osama bin Laden, just as I see parallels between the
> loud minority of Christians who want their particular view of "Christian
> politics" to become the dominant power in the United States and Osama bin
> Laden. I have read articles reporting from Israel, in which *west bank
> settlers who were active in religious parties in Israel told the reporter*that they have more in common with Islamic fundamentalists than they do with
> secular or reformed Jews! Please, let's leave some room for discussion,
> without concluding that every word you listen to with some degree of respect
> becomes a hallmark of what you would do if elected to high office!!!
>
> ACORN: The main reason that either government authorities or the media have
> information about fraud in ACORN's voter-registration efforts is that ACORN
> meticulously checks the paperwork before turning it in, caught and reported
> most fraud itself, and dealt promptly with any other questionable
> registrations brought to its attention after they were turned in. There
> literally is NO story there. ACORN, like many voter registration campaigns,
> hired people, who were generally down and out and needed the money (because
> the rest of us are working at the jobs we already have), and made the common
> mistake of paying them by the registrant. The inducement to make up names is
> obvious. These street workers are largely NOT committed by principle or
> inspiration, they just want to make some money. Most do it honestly, and may
> even appreciate what they are doing. Some are not honest, and they are fired
> as that becomes clear.
>
>  "Over the past seven years, the media has created the Big Lie that
> America is
> the biggest rogue state in the world, with Israel its proxy." Nonsense.
> Only in Melanie Phillips's overactive imagination. Show me a collection of
> articles in any daily print of broadcast media, any widely subscribed and
> commercially viable weekly magazine, which makes any such case. It is simply
> not true. You have to dredge up obscure monthlies published by tiny little
> ideological organs infatuated with a sense of their own importance to find
> such warped perspectives.
>
>  "Now it is ensuring that a man who will act on that very premise to crush
> America and
> destroy Israel will be placed in the White House to do so." Yeah, right.
> Colin Powell and Christopher Buckley are dupes of a messianic cult??? Keep
> in mind that a sometime associate of Ayers and Dohrn in SDS, although NOT a
> member of Weather Underground, Tom Hayden, currently a state senator from
> California, told a reporter "we're trying to encourage people to vote for
> Obama, but it doesn't help that he wants to step up the war in Afghanistan
> and go after Osama bin Laden." That is the real picture.
>
> The only menace going on is the very realistic fears of Melanie Phillips,
> Ann Coulter, and all their cohorts that their own little reign of error is
> about to end, because voters indeed are not buying the ludicrous smear
> campaigns they have been running for the past twenty years or so.
> Incidentallly, they have become well known and widely read precisely because
> those big bad media outlets they love to kick have given them so much
> coverage and lucrative publishing contracts.
>
> Siarlys
>
>
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