[GCFL-discuss] FW: Old Wife Joke (gcfl 11/1)

Sun Nov 7 11:55:25 CST 2004

GreenBubble, I've read the Screwtape Letters before, so yes I followed
Siarlys, fairly well.

Lance
John 8:32 "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:39:50 -0500 gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net writes:
> 
> Lance
> I assume from your response that you read through, and understood 
> Siarlys's
> treatise on the subject.  If so, I am impressed.
> 
> Siarlys
> I kinda lost the forest for the trees (or however the expression 
> goes) in
> your lengthy discussion of the subject.  The only part I understood 
> was the
> end, in which yo say, 'Of course a shorter way to say this might be 
> "If the
> husband had just given her a big hug instead of looking her over, he 
> would
> be alive today."'  Whether or not Lewis says the same thing, I have 
> no clue.
> 
> This is one of those poison-pawn questions, from which it is 
> virtually
> impossible to emerge unscathed, no matter how you answer.
> 
> When I get that kind of question, I usually say something like "I'm 
> not
> touching that one -- not with a ten foot pole."
> 
> I would like to ask the husbands on this panel:  How would you 
> answer this,
> or a similar, question?
> I would like to ask the wives on this panel:  What answer to this, 
> or a
> similar, question make you feel good or at least better?
> 
> greenBubble
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net [mailto:gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:43 AM
> 
> 
> Well said Siarlys! Awesome, very very awesome!
> 
> Lance
> John 8:32 "You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you 
> free."
> 
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:03:26 -0600 gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net writes:
> > A few days ago, the joke service sent out a funny story about a 
> wife
> > looking at herself in the mirror and feeling old. Her husband's 
> > response
> > appears to have led directly to the announcement of his memorial
> > services.
> > 
> > I had a thought about how he should have responded. It might have 
> 
> > saved
> > his life and pleased his wife, but it would not be quite suitable 
> 
> > for a
> > family discussion group.
> > 
> > But I did run across some remarks in C.S. Lewis's THE SCREWTAPE 
> > LETTERS
> > that provide some good perspective on the wife's fears. Lewis was 
> > the
> > subject of the movie Shadowlands, about his marriage late in life 
> to 
> > an
> > American who remarked "So we're both lapsed atheists?" Its a funny 
> 
> > and
> > inspiring movie. His future wife's son was a great fan of Lewis's 
> 
> > child
> > novel series, The Chronicles of Narnia. I heard that some 
> publisher 
> > is
> > trying to come up with a version of the stories which has the 
> > obvious
> > Christian content secularized. A cartoonist pointed out that this 
> is 
> > sort
> > of like Moby Dick with the whales removed.
> > 
> > The Screwtape Letters are written by a middle level executive in 
> > the
> > bureaucracy of hell, to his nephew, a junion tempter assigned to 
> > some
> > poor soul in England. In a backhanded way, through the words of
> > Screwtape, Lewis relates Christian values to modern life, and 
> > criticizes
> > the superficiality of the church. On the subject of women and 
> their
> > bodies, as it relates to securing souls for "Our Father Below", 
> > Screwtape
> > advises his nephew:
> > 
> > It is the business of our great masters in every age to produce a 
> 
> > general
> > misdirection of what might be called sexual taste. This they do 
> by
> > working through the small circle of popular artists, dressmakers,
> > actresses and advertisers who determine the fashionable type. The 
> 
> > aim is
> > to guide members of each sex away from those members of the other 
> 
> > with
> > whom spiritually helpful, happy and fertile marriages are most 
> > likely.
> > 
> >  age of jazz has succeeded the age of the waltz, and we now teach 
> 
> > men
> > to like women whose bodies are scarcely distinguishable from those 
> 
> > of
> > boys. Since this is a kind of beauty even more transitory than 
> most, 
> > we
> > thus aggravate the female's chronic horror of growing old (with 
> > many
> > excellent results). We have engineered a great increase in the 
> > license
> > which society allows to the representation of the apparent nude 
> (not 
> > the
> > real nude). It is all a fake of course. As a result, we are more 
> and 
> > more
> > directing th desires of men to something which does not exist -- 
> > making
> > the role of the eye in sexuality more important, and making its 
> > demands
> > more impossible. What follows you can easily guess!"
> > 
> > Of course a shorter way to say this might be "If the husband had 
> > just
> > given her a big hug instead of looking her over, he would be alive 
> 
> > today.
> > But I am really impressed with the way Lewis puts it.
> > 
> > Siarlys
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