[GCFL-discuss] Israel Without Hillary

[Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List]

My comments are interspersed among Siarlys'.
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...but fast forward to today, and the real life situation is that three,
four, five generations have grown up and learned their identity in this
"Palestinian" environment. To deny that is like teaching African
Americans whose great-great-grandparents moved north to live in the city
that their identity is somehow rooted in a rural county in southern
Alabama. It's not...
 
..."the people" are not the voices that make political deals.
Politicians and parties and organizations that claim to represent "the
people" are. But who and what "the people" will follow makes a big
difference.
 
If Israel cannot offer those people who have been defined as
Palestinians, and come to think of themselves as Palestinians, a
reasonable hope of some sort of life they can accept and appreciate,
suicide bombers will continue to emerge, with a sense of
self-righteousness, from among those people who see no hope for the
future. If Hamas can clear criminal gangs off the street, provide some
peace and quiet, organize medical and social services that nobody else
offered, people will support Hamas. (I don't think you would disagree
that the corruption and nepotism inside Fatah is what made Hamas
popular).   (Ironically, if predictably, Hamas is even worse in that
regard.) 
 
So Israel can either come to terms with the fact that this population of
people exists and has to be provided for, or can try to exterminate
every last one of them, or continue a state of pertetual war.  
 

	Israel cannot offer these people any hope, unless and until
these people are interested in hoping.  You give them a gift of
cultivated farmland with the latest technology so that they can support
themselves, and they ransack it for scrap.  and then they plead poverty.
	 
	Further, why is it Israel who has to give them hope.  Let their
Arab brethren give them hope.  Israel's goal has to be to survive. 
	 
	They will never be satisfied with half a loaf.  They will never
be satisfied until the Mediteranean Coast is Israel's Eastern border.
If then.
	 
	However and whyever this generation of "Palestinians" came to be
what they are, the fact is that they are what they are.  It is
impossible to deal with them  or offer them any hope of any kind.  The
only way to come to terms with them is to be strong and prevent them
from killing us.  If they know that violence will boomerang, they will
stop.  That is the only language they understand.  Kindness is percived
as weakness.
	 
	In the immortal words of Golda Meir, peace will come to Israel
when, and only when, the Arabs come to love their sons more than they
hate us.
	It takes two to make peace.  It takes one to make war.

 
 
P.S. While nobody devoted to Jerusalem, Christian, Muslim or Jewish,
really wants to hear this, the only viable way to keep Jerusalem
undivided is to organize it as a political entity to which everyone has
free access. The Dome of the Rock isn't going away, neither is the
Wailing Wall, nor those silly Greek and Armenian priests who get into
brawls over who is stepping onto whose section in the Church of the Holy
Sepulcher. Romans kicked the Jews out and named the city Aelia
Capitolina, Jews eagerly helped both Sassanians and the original Muslim
jihad take it from the Byzantines, and ultimately, if we don't want the
place to keep changing hands like that, it needs to be accessible to all
of the above (excepts the Sassanians, who are either refugee communities
in India or converts to Shia Islam in Iran). 
 

	 For  eightteen years, from '48-'67, East Jerusalem was "an
international city" .  Jews were not able to live or pray there.  Under
Israeli sovereignship, anyone can pray there, and the most rabid
Israel-hater can live there.  Why would any fair-minded person want to
change that?
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