[GCFL-discuss] FW: Israelis for Obama Video Fraud

Wed Oct 8 18:37:16 CDT 2008

"I was also disappointed by the response to the woman who asked "What
would you ask the American people to sacrifice?" Neither candidate gave a
direct answer."
I totally agree Both candidates missed the boat on this one! Both made some
bad calls on that debate. I was very disappointed with them.
~Lance
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies List <
gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

> When I saw the name "General Uzi Dayan" I was sure this was a fake. What
> an obviously made-up name! Well it turns out that really is his name, and
> he really is mad. I assume Uzi has a significance other than "machine
> gun," the gun was named in honor of whatever it is, and so was the
> general.
>
> I would note however that the film in question was not produced by the
> Obama campaign. It was produced by an independent organization which
> claims to support Obama's campaign. Is that a significant difference?
> Just remember the Swift Vote Beterans in 2004. They were entirely
> independent of the Bush campaign, right? Not to mention all the
> "independent" organizations running all kinds of nasty TV ads pushing
> their own pet issues, with a nod to one candidate or the other. We all
> admire the clever ones that happen to agree with our own point of view,
> and express outrage when the other side gets a low blow in.
>
> If the Obama campaign planned this kind of deception, they would have
> been a lot less clumsy about it, and they would have launched it so close
> to the election that the expose would have come a few days after the
> votes were counted, just like the last several Republican campaigns have.
>
> Since I never saw the original film, nor any news account of it, I hardly
> expect the media to inform me that it has been denounced either. The
> media hasn't informed me at all, and it probably wasn't worth informing
> me of either, if its such a low quality production. The generals are
> quite correct that they shouldn't be endorsing candidates in the American
> election. Likewise, guessing who will be best for Israel shouldn't be THE
> touchstone for any American voter, even those who happen to be Jewish. I
> don't know why the makers of the film played into such nonsense.
>
> So, a well-meaning effort to "help" by a bunch of clumsy amateurs. I
> clipped a few comments following an article on the subject at
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3606188,00.html
>
> Coverage and most comments were extremely critical of Obama. I clipped
> two that were sympathetic (naturally).
>
> 10. Obama: Good for Israel
> The Film was simply to counteract a Campaign of lies by the republicans,
> sent to Jewish Voters , misrepresenting Obama's Voting record and views
> on Isreal and Jews. His Senatorial record is the SAME as McCain's , about
> Israeli Concerns. The film shows that , NO he is not scary ,he is a known
> quantity and is good for Israel's Security. So if you do not want him for
> President ( Your suicide Pill) fine. But DO NOT pretend that he has ANY
> anti Israel views.
> Ted Greenfield ,   Des Plaines, USA    (10.07.08)
>
>
> 17. Some information about McCain
> Some people seem very swayed by pretty tenuous connections regarding
> Obama. If that kind of thing disturbs you, I'd suggest doing a search on
> McCain and Singlaub. I'm not going to feed you talking points, I'm simply
> directing you in a direction to get some perspective. If you feel guilt
> by association is important, then you need to look at some of McCain;s
> associations as well.
> Joe ,   San Jose, Ca    (10.07.08)
>
> I was disappointed by Obama's vague response in the debate on what to do
> if Iran attacked Israel, but McCain wasn't much more clear. What they
> both miss out on is, there is plenty of dissatisfaction in Iran toward
> the current government, and we have to learn how to play to that without
> expecting some instant uprising, which is not evident at all. Half the
> game in diplomacy is to maneuver a hostile regime into a position where
> it can't move against you without fatally undermining its own base at
> home. Ho Chi Minh knew how to do that to LBJ and Nixon, we should learn
> how to do it to the Ayatollahs in Iran.
>
> I was also disappointed by the response to the woman who asked "What
> would you ask the American people to sacrifice?" Neither candidate gave a
> direct answer. Obama missed a chance to say "We will never again send
> soldiers to war without asking every American to make the necessary
> sacrifices to support them. If it costs money, we will cut other budget
> lines or raise taxes to the necessary level to pay for it, we will not
> continue business as usual." (I suppose collecting meat fat for making
> ammunition and collecting scrap metal to supply weapons production
> wouldn't play the same role, but it might be needed again.)
>
> On the whole, Obama came across as a dynamic, capable leader, while
> McCain came across as a tired old man who hasn't done his homework, who
> might have been a good candidate in 2000.
>
> Siarlys
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