[GCFL-discuss] The Poll Taker

Sun Jul 11 15:52:29 CDT 2010

Not only that, but Congress did NOT go out of their way to make
themselves immune to this new bill.

For the obvious reason that people would be outraged, and the whole
process was already under a microscope, the law contains specific
language that what congress and congressional staff get in the way of
health care MUST be obtained within the terms of the law that apply to
everyone else.

Unfortunately, once again, all anyone has to do is repeat a lie often
enough, and millions of people will believe its true. 

Separate issue: People have gotten the idea (and I admit, I often feel
this way at first glance on any subject I feel strongly about), that if I
want something, it must be a constitutional right, or, if I want
something off my back, it must be prohibited by something in the
constitution. As Justice Scalia pointed out, the constitution does not
mean what we think it ought to mean, it means what it says.

I was worried about the shape of the new bill, because I haven't had
insurance since last July, I don't have the money to pay for anything
like what my last employer was providing, and a several thousand dollar
fine with my tax return was not appealing. (That is an understatement).

Kaiser Family Foundation has an excellent web page on the subject (start
at www.kff.org ) and I found that sliding scale of the share of cost I'd
have to pay is perfectly reasonable -- in short, I'll be covered after
2014, even if things don't improve, I'll have to pay something, but
nothing more than I can afford.

Siarlys

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 17:42:50 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
Sadly I don't know... But when Congress went out of their way to add a
piece to their health care that makes them immune to this new bill people
were outraged... They kept quoting that there's some amendment that said
Congress couldn't make a law for the masses but not themselves.
Just checked all 27 Amendments and I'm not seeing anything close to
saying that... :(

Lance

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

Lance, I can't think of any language in the Constitution which says that
Congress cannot make any law that Congress is immune to. It's certainly
not in the First Amendment. Please quote the specific language, and we
could have some fun kicking around what it means.

Siarlys

On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:21:49 -0700 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:
Doesn't it also say Congress cannot make a law they're immune to?

~Lance

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies
List <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> wrote:

TO: greenBubble, Jeanene, whom else it may conern...

The reason I said "Congress shall make no law..." and left it trailing
was,

1) The point under discussion, or the relevant implication in my mind, I
forget which, was that when the First Amendment says "Congress shall pass
no law..." (regarding whatever comes next), it categorically denies
Congress jurisdiction over that subject matter. It does not, as some
schools of judicial philosophy would have it, mean "Congress shall pass
no law... unless Congress and the Supreme Court agree that, on balance,
the government's interest in passing the law is greater than the people's
interest in not having the law passed."

2) I assumed that the well-informed, patriotic, citizens who populate
this discussiong group, would know quite well what it is that "Congress
shall pass no law" about:

"respecting an establishment of religion,"

"nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

"or abridging the freedom of speech..."

"or of the press..."

"or the right of the people peacably to assemble..."

"and to petition their government for redress of grievances."

Again, my point was, on these matters, Congress shall pass NO law, not
some law, not a little bit of law, not laws infringining in small ways,
NO LAW.

Justice Hugo Black, the civil libertarian former senator from Alabama,
was quite eloquent on this point, and quite forceful. When Hugo Black
Antonin Scalia agree, they are almost always correct. When they disagree,
the man from Alabama usually has it right.

Siarlys

On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 22:35:23 -0400 "Discussion of the Good, Clean Funnies

List" <gcfl-discuss at gcfl.net> writes:

> siarlys
> i think jeanene takes exception to your frequent quote of half a
> sentence:   "Congress shall make no law, "  implying that congress
> shall
> pass no laws at all, which is obviously not the constitution's
> intent at
> all.
>
> greenBubble
>
>
> Subject: Re: [GCFL-discuss] The Poll Taker
>
> I'm still not clear. What was the misquote? And what was its
> significance
> to the meaning of the First Amendment?
>
> I too have some Scot-Irish, but more Welsh, on two different sides
> of my
> mother's family, and some east Tennessee Cherokee, nobody who got as
> far
> west as Oklahoma. I guess nobody wanted to cross all those flatlands
> to
> get from the Appalachians to the Ozarks.
>
> Siarlys
>
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